(10-30-2017, 05:57 PM)Bullseye Wrote:

(10-30-2017, 05:53 PM)Billsfan1212 Wrote: So you are easily grouping a guy who earned a SECOND contract to guys who didn't make it through their first?  Must be liberating to not be burdened by thinking.


Since we are going down memory lane here let's review some more facts.

1.  Buffahole hired Doug Marrone and signed him to a deal that allowed him to escape if Wilson was no longer the owner.    Wilson died, Pegula became owner, and did not bother to renegotiate the clause that allowed Marrone to leave once Wilson was not owner, or otherwise failed to persuade Marrone to stay.  Marrone coaches the Bills to their first winning season in ten years.  Marrone exercises his rights to leave under the terms negotiated by both parties, and Butt hurt Bills fans like yourself call him a quitter, a lousy coach, yada yada yada.  Nevermind his immediate successor in title did not match his level of success.

2.  Faced with the unexpected job opening, Pegula and Buffahole had ample opportunity to hire Jim Schwartz as the new head coach.  Schwartz was your defensive coordinator in 2014, when the Bills finished 4th in total defense, and when Dareus was most productive.  Instead you let him walk, and bring in, of all people, the walking dumpster fire known as Rex Ryan.  Rex Ryan promptly switches from a very successful scheme and installs his 3-4 defense.  Yes, Dareus' productivity dropped... primarily because he moved from a DT to a NT.  That sort of thing tends to happen to DTs that move to NT. But while you portray Dareus as the one malingerer on the Bills defense, the simple truth (since you like simple but apparently not truth) is that defensive productivity for the Bills dropped ACROSS THE BOARD.  They went from 4th in scoring in 2014, to 15th in scoring in 2015, to 16th last year.  They went from first in the league with 54 sacks in 2014 to 31st in the league with 21 in 2015.  Dareus, Jerry Hughes, Mario Williams...ALL had dramatic dropoffs in sacks.  But I guess that's Dareus' fault?  They went from 11th in rush defense in '14 to 16th in 2015 to 28th overall last year.  But that's all on Dareus, too...right?  Nobody else dropped off...right?  The scheme change had nothing to do with anything and was at all times perfect for the personnel...right?  But no...you aren't butt hurt at all. (insert eye roll here)

3.  Based upon your ridiculous hypothetical, Bortles would be a disappointment, not a bust.  Of course the impact of a starting QB going in total meltdown would be far different from a DT going into meltdown because of the roles each play on a team, but nevermind that obvious fact for now.  As much as you'd like to, you can't simply gloss over the two Pro Bowls Bortles made in your hypothetical, any more than you anyone with an appreciation of fact can ignore the two Pro Bowls Dareus made for you.  The fact is, even with all of his off field baggage, Dareus was way more productive than Maybin.  Hell. even taking your drivel about not missing him at face value, Dareus still produced a sack against Cincinnati earlier this year, which, taken alone, still made him more productive than Aaron Freaking Maybin.  There is no way anyone can SENSIBLY put Dareus in the same category as Maybin, even factoring in the off field stuff.

4.  You say nobody trades superstars for peanuts.  Interesting.  Would you say San Francisco got good value for Charles Haley when they sent him to Dallas?  What about Atlanta trading away Brett Favre or Tampa trading away Steve Young?  Do you think the 2nd round pick the Colts got for Marshall Faulk was good return for someone who wound up being league MVP, a Super Bowl champion and a Hall of Famer?  The Raiders traded Randy Moss to New England for a 4th round pick.  Miami traded Welker for a 3rd.  You remember those deals don't you?  You should, because those guys have absolutely owned you.    

5.  Nobody, not me or anyone posting in this thread, denied that Dareus has had some off field issues, so your edit adding this stuff was absolutely worthless and shined no light on this matter.  For that matter, nobody has guaranteed Dareus will be a rousing success here, nor has anyone reassured themselves or anyone else.  The overwhelming majority of posters here have argued it's a trade with low risk and high potential for reward.  At the end of the day, we have a Bills fan on a Jaguars board trying to convince Jaguars fans that a 27 year old, two time Pro Bowler is no different than another first round draft pick of yours that lasted all of two years and mustered as many sacks for the Bills as you or I have.

Now...you were saying something about uninformed posters...?

LOL *Bullseye*

Thanks for further proving my point