(10-30-2017, 05:53 PM)Billsfan1212 Wrote: I said...

Quote:1.  Buffahole hired Doug Marrone and signed him to a deal that allowed him to escape if Wilson was no longer the owner.    Wilson died, Pegula became owner, and did not bother to renegotiate the clause that allowed Marrone to leave once Wilson was not owner, or otherwise failed to persuade Marrone to stay.  Marrone coaches the Bills to their first winning season in ten years.  Marrone exercises his rights to leave under the terms negotiated by both parties, and Butt hurt Bills fans like yourself call him a quitter, a lousy coach, yada yada yada.  Nevermind his immediate successor in title did not match his level of success.

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Quote:EXPLAINED WHERE YOU MISSED THE MARK HERE IN A PREVIOUS POST. GO READ IT

I already read it.  Marrone's rationale for having the clause in the contract or the fact he may have overestimated the Jets interest in him doesn't change the fact he exercised a duly negotiated clause in his deal that Pegula assumed when he bought the team.  It doesn't change the fact that clause enabled Marrone to leave when Pegula had no intent to fire him or make any coaching change.  It doesn't change the fact that Pegula botched the transition from Marrone and the team was less successful as a result of his departure.

Quote:2.  Faced with the unexpected job opening, Pegula and Buffahole had ample opportunity to hire Jim Schwartz as the new head coach.  Schwartz was your defensive coordinator in 2014, when the Bills finished 4th in total defense, and when Dareus was most productive.  Instead you let him walk, and bring in, of all people, the walking dumpster fire known as Rex Ryan.  Rex Ryan promptly switches from a very successful scheme and installs his 3-4 defense.  Yes, Dareus' productivity dropped... primarily because he moved from a DT to a NT.  That sort of thing tends to happen to DTs that move to NT. But while you portray Dareus as the one malingerer on the Bills defense, the simple truth (since you like simple but apparently not truth) is that defensive productivity for the Bills dropped ACROSS THE BOARD.  They went from 4th in scoring in 2014, to 15th in scoring in 2015, to 16th last year.  They went from first in the league with 54 sacks in 2014 to 31st in the league with 21 in 2015.  Dareus, Jerry Hughes, Mario Williams...ALL had dramatic dropoffs in sacks.  But I guess that's Dareus' fault?  They went from 11th in rush defense in '14 to 16th in 2015 to 28th overall last year.  But that's all on Dareus, too...right?  Nobody else dropped off...right?  The scheme change had nothing to do with anything and was at all times perfect for the personnel...right?  But no...you aren't butt hurt at all. (insert eye roll here)

Quote:KINDA HARD TO BE A TEAM LEADER WHEN YOU ARE SUSPENDED FOR THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER - NO?

Bruce Smith, Michael Irvin, and Lawrence Taylor were all suspended at one point or another and did pretty well.  But I specifically responded to your charge that Dareus' production declined.  Funny how you didn't address that.

Quote:3.  Based upon your ridiculous hypothetical, Bortles would be a disappointment, not a bust.  Of course the impact of a starting QB going in total meltdown would be far different from a DT going into meltdown because of the roles each play on a team, but nevermind that obvious fact for now.  As much as you'd like to, you can't simply gloss over the two Pro Bowls Bortles made in your hypothetical, any more than you anyone with an appreciation of fact can ignore the two Pro Bowls Dareus made for you.  The fact is, even with all of his off field baggage, Dareus was way more productive than Maybin.  Hell. even taking your drivel about not missing him at face value, Dareus still produced a sack against Cincinnati earlier this year, which, taken alone, still made him more productive than Aaron Freaking Maybin.  There is no way anyone can SENSIBLY put Dareus in the same category as Maybin, even factoring in the off field stuff.

Quote:THIS IS PETTY AS IT IS JUST SEMANTICS, TOMATO TOMOTO
MAYBE HAS A RAP ABOUT HIM - MD WENT TO 2X PROBOWLS = EVEN

I realize not making the playoff this millenium is enough to drive you crazy, but it's not semantics at all.  There is a large swath of area in between the extremes of "first Ballot Hall of Famer" and "Bust." There is no sensible way to equate a player who made two Pro Bowls and reached his second contract to a first round pick edge rusher who only lasted 2 years with his original team and never notched a single sack with his original team.  But let's assume for argument's sake that Dareus unquestionably qualifies as a "bust."  Buffalo is the team that invested a top 3 first round pick on him.  Jacksonville invested a 6th, or at most a 5th on him.  Buffalo is the team that took him out of a scheme in which he was productive and put him in a scheme that made him less productive.  Jacksonville is putting him in a scheme in which he has had success.  Buffalo is the team that signed him to a second deal, including a signing bonus.  Jacksonville paid him no signing bonus, and can cut him after 2018 with minimal cap ramifications.  Buffalo is the team that relied on him for leadership.  In Jacksonville, he'll be in a non leadership role until he proves worthy.  In light of the above, where does any Bills fan get off lecturing Jaguars fans on bad football investments?

Quote:4.  You say nobody trades superstars for peanuts.  Interesting.  Would you say San Francisco got good value for Charles Haley when they sent him to Dallas?  What about Atlanta trading away Brett Favre or Tampa trading away Steve Young?  Do you think the 2nd round pick the Colts got for Marshall Faulk was good return for someone who wound up being league MVP, a Super Bowl champion and a Hall of Famer?  The Raiders traded Randy Moss to New England for a 4th round pick.  Miami traded Welker for a 3rd.  You remember those deals don't you?  You should, because those guys have absolutely owned you.    

Quote:AFTER JUST POINTING OUT THE DIFFERENCE TO ME VIA SEMANTICS - THIS IS THE KINDA CRAP YOU COME BACK AT ME WITH? SHAME ON YOU... POT CALLING KETTLE BLACK AND A LITTLE TOO HYPOCRITICAL FOR MY TASTES

Hypocritical?!?  I responded to your post.  YOU made the assertion that nobody trades superstars for peanuts.  Which of the players above did NOT make a Pro Bowl?  Which of the teams that traded them got good return for the players they traded?