(11-08-2017, 02:48 AM)Bullseye Wrote:

(11-07-2017, 03:14 PM)Billsfan1212 Wrote: Glad I could be of some service! 
Guess what?!?! I'm wearing a Jags hoodie today!!!
Just for clarity... homerish cant be called homerish when given from an unbiased but one sided perspective.
Informative from a different perspective? yes. Homerish, no.
I'm not going to be around here to get you all straightened out forever. Eventually, you'll need to figure this stuff out on your own
With all due respect, the majority of the responses here directed AT me sounded like this season is already over, records were broken, and something was actually won. 
Infact, any time I spoke of my team I was incredibly humble and was sure to keep in mind we are half way through a season and I'm on a Jags forum - not a Bills.
You guys SHOULD be in for a treat as it looks like you are in for a cake walk the rest of the way. You even got a break only having to face Watson for 1 or potentially 4 halves  this year. If MD helps make the run D more stout and things keep up and dont fall apart (which again, given the path ahead seems very unlikey) It could be a great year. 
Dont mistake my explanation as to why your new play thing ended up in JAX as obnoxious or homerish- and if it was so predictable it wouldnt have needed to be explained.

I mean it Bullseye, I'll give ya a couple more freebies, but eventually the training wheels are going to come off and your going to have to start making well informed and thoughout posts all on your own....  

I am a little flattered to have made such an impression on you though!!!

Huh?

I wasn't referring to you AT ALL.

As ridiculous and myopic as my buddy is about the Bills, he at least knows enough to not put Aaron freaking Maybin in the same class as Marcell Dareus.

"Training wheels?"

From the guy who claimed it was hard for a guy who gets suspended to be a team leader, obviously forgetting the best player in his team's history-Bruce Smith-was suspended and still managed to be a leader?  When reminded of this and others, all you had to say was some jibberish about being from a different era.  Two words:  Tom Brady.  Recent enough for you?

"Training wheels?"

This from the guy who tried to single out Dareus for a drop in productivity, conveniently ignoring the coaching and scheme changes that caused defensive productivity to drop ACROSS the board, not just with Dareus?!?  You STILL haven't explained or even tried to address that fact. 

"Training wheels?"

This from the guy who decries the citation of articles (obviously confusing me with ETDavis) in debating points as if that were a bad thing.  Two things, Sparky.  1.  Research is actually a good thing.  Perhaps you should try it sometimes.  2.  Most of the points I've made in this debate and in most of the discussions I have are from memory, which is why I was able to cite Bruce Smith's suspension and the various trades that escaped you.  As it stands, you have chafed each time anyone here has presented you with fact, saying I was there and you weren't, instead of countering with relevant concrete fact that refutes things presented here.  It's the message board equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and saying "La la la la la!  I can't hear you."  You've provided nothing in the way of insight here.  The extent of the substance you have provided is harping on off field stuff that most of us were aware of on some level.

Ive mentioned numerous times that while your 'examples' arernt wrong (in that they did happen), they are irrelevant because the League and the way it conducts its business has changed in oh lets say, THE LAST 2 DECADES.
You keep bringing up these trades like you want a cookie for remembering simple transactions/trades/events etc.
There is SUCH a difference between what you get out of national media outlets and what you get via other sources. AGAIN for example I can go look at what the reasoning was TC left after his 1st go round in JAX and parrot what i read to you verbatim and think I'm smart and know the story. I'll bet if I did that however, you'd have a TON of insight that wasnt brought to light in that article and prob contest a few points as well. THAT is essentially what you keep trying to do here and frankly its maddening you THINK you know what you are talking about enough to challange someone who lived it and paid much closer attention to it.
You didnt give a rats about MD until two weeks ago, and were limited to these G rated articles you 'researched' to gather your info. Give me a break! Its no different than the Jags trading Stroud to the Bills and me being ignorant enough to tell you what happened during his time in JAX. Beats the hell outta me! lol. I didnt live it, so...... yeah. See what I mean??
Furthermore, comparing Bruce Smith to MD is just a joke! Its like comparing George Washington to Donald Trump.
They both held the same position, (President/Bills best D player) but the comparisons start and stop there.
That WHOLE team partied like it was 1999 back then and people still tell stories that just amaze me....but the culture is totally different. Back then it seems everyone had their nose in something and it sucked he was suspended etc but it was what it was. Conditioning and everything else in that regard was much less developed and it just wasnt how it is now so its tough to compare. Just as how you cant compare that to the days when guys have off season jobs, showed up to a literal grass field in the middle of nowhere are would smoke on the sidelines.  Now with testing rules being more stringent, you really look like quite the bozo when you fail a drug test ( THAT THEY EVEN KNOW WHEN ITS COMING ) for fake pot. That is not a leader. That is also not even close to the same situation as bruce. Apples to oranges plain and simple.
Same thing with this Brady comparison. Shame on you for comparing the GOAT to MD. Deflating footballs isnt even close to drag racing down busy streets and crashing putting his life and others at stake. Same with smoking synthetic pot, not at all close to letting air out of balls. I'm sure your board will agree with you bc im the outsider, but if this was respected jags fan vs respected jags fan debating this id find it hard to believe they'd see this your way.
I dont know why you keep bringing this Maybin thing up, but the fact of the matter is now that the book is closed on the Bills portion of his career theres no way around the fact it was a colossal disappointment. A 'BUST' if you will. Maybe thats partially the Bills fault for making him the 3rd overall pick in the 2011 draft. Outside of Gabbert and Locker, it could be argued he was the biggest non-qb bust in the top 10. At least Maybin didnt tease us. He just did his thing and faded away and did the same or the Jets soon there after. Marcell showed he could be a monster, which was helpful - but then when he was at his best he was getting in trouble off the field. He had zero regard for his teammates, his team, or more importantly himself UNTIL he made it clear via his actions that in the end he was just worried about getting paid. As soon as that happened he vanished and so did the monster on the field that was Mr Big Stuff. Scheme fit keeps being brought up which I need you to understand is irrelevant in this case because when he was on the field he still occasionally showed flashes. Its not like he was being asked to drop into coverage like Mario would wine about.
 BUT (and this is an important but) the #1 reason MD didnt work in a 3-4?? MARCELL!!!! For example, he only played 8 half hearted games last year. He served his suspension. Then when that was over, it was apparent that when he was on his own he didnt have the discipline to keep himself in shape and kept having little nagging injuries/conditioning issues that kept him out even when his suspension was up. People were livid and fed up. Coaches included as Rex (yes i know, hes a goober who cant keep his mouth shut) just said 'The only thing I saw him stuff were his pockets". Maybe hes bitter - who knows. But the point is, even during his 2 good seasons his off field issues and shenanigans prevented him from getting the recognition as well as getting a fair shake in that scheme. Its easy to look at stats and see they dipped in rex's scheme... but thats just lazy. More goes into it than that. He was the reason he didnt have big years under Rex. He still got to pin his ears back and do his thing (when he was able to play). He complained things were too difficult and wasnt interested in trying.... which led to Bart Scott Telling Marcell ' They cant write the playbook in Crayon' which was both REALLY funny and REALLY sad.
So, in the end, what do you call a player who never lived up to his potential- never became the leader he was paid/expected to be - and was oft in trouble.  An embarrassment? a waste of talent and space? late for dinner? Those seem kinda mean, so I think I'll stick with BUST.
I didnt want to have to spell it out, so I genuinely am sorry if you feel I ' lalalala'd' you by not taking each and every point you made to elaborate further, but I did try responding in a general way essentially saying you stick you your teams business bc its what you know - and ill stick to mine and lets not pretend either is an expert going the other way. I think its pretty obvious we arent. If you felt that strongly your arguments carried weight - well there ya go. I'm sure people will complain about another wall of text - but thems the breaks and you asked for a response.... so there ya go. People will dislike it bc it paints your new toy in a new light as is essentially the problem NYC has with the posts hes outlined above. Dont take it personal. You dont need to defend him or take offense bc we dont know how this plays out for the Jags. Once he balls out - go nuts defending him saying the Bills were dumb etc. If he has more issues down the line, then say it was a low risk high reward move. But dont get cheesed about a comment about why a player didnt work in an organization that wasnt even yours. No point in dwelling on it, but dont pretend it didnt happen either. Just be aware what his issues were and like everyone hes not perfect Fresh start, clean slate, and only 1 way to go - and thats up. By this point this has all been said 100x anyway and we ALL know so lets just do Marcell going forward and what he brings to your team for the rest of the year. Deal?

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