(01-17-2018, 11:53 AM)Bullseye Wrote:

(01-17-2018, 11:38 AM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: that has EVERYTHING to do with what I posted.  I never said a rebuild wasn't necessary to gather talent.  WHAT I SAID WAS you should not allow a coach to have 4 years of 3 wins in a row and hide behind the rebuild moniker.

You can win quickly after rebuilding supplementing through free agency and making the right draft choices and having good coaching.  Good coaching is crucial

you guys are the ones arguing something different from the post.  Having Coughlin here last year and not Gus and us winning 5 more games than last year is EVERYTHING that I am posting about.

Rebuilding is eventually needed for everyone, unless you constantly are supplementing eventual replacements like the patriots.  Stop arguing something irrelevant.

Those of you who defended Gene for 4 years and Gus as well look ridiculous, and you can try to act like you dont all you want, doesn't change the facts

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if putting me down makes you feel better about blindly following anyone who is coach at the time or GM at the time no matter how bad the results, then so be it, that's on you.

Get the right people in here running a football team, and things turn around much quicker

Okay...I still want to see where you advocated hiring Marrone before the hire, or lauded the choice immediately after it was made.

You are saying "I told you so" based solely on the fact we may have kept Bradley too long.

Anyone can say a coach should be fired.

But in your closing line here, you say "get the right people in here running a football team."

We can only assume that Marrone was the right person for this team.

If this is true, where was your advocacy for Marrone before or immediately after the hire?

I'm not sure what my opinion of Marrone has to do with what I am saying.  IIRC, I was lukewarm on Marrone, I wasnt upset with the hiring, and I wasn't like giddy about it, I was more along the lines of being fine with it... I was ecstatic about Coughlin... but again that's not the point.

My point is, and I dont get why it is confusing, that you can tell quite quickly if a coach is NOT the right answer, as well as a GM, though admittedly it takes a tad longer with a GM sometimes.  Gus should have been kicked out of here early on in year 3.  Gene should have been immediately ousted after year 3.  In both cases I was ridiculed and called names by mods and others for having that opinion back then.  I was a bibber, hand wringer, whiner, not patient enough, clueless, etc.  I needed to let a guy, or those guys in this case, have multiple years.

What I am saying is, the right coach/leader can make an IMMEDIATE and easily known impact.  If 10 years down the line we find ourselves in the pits again, lets not fall into the same mistakes as before and allow bums to have 4 years to turn things around

that is all I am saying.  Guys like Coughlin can come in and fix a football team immediately, as have others.

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(01-17-2018, 12:24 PM)Bullseye Wrote:

(01-17-2018, 11:29 AM)Krayz_Jville_D Wrote: what?? where in the world did I even imply such a thing???

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When you said this:

Quote:I mean, if he was here last year, I dont think we would be in the AFC championship, but I guarantee you we would have won 7 or 8 games, that's without this year's FA haul

You have been saying Bradley should have been fired sooner.

When you said Marrone (the right coach) would have had the 2016 team at about 7-8 wins.

Does this team advance to the AFC Championship this year without Fournette, Cam Robinson, or Dede Westbrook?

Short answer:  no.

If we won 7-8 games in 2016, are we in a position to draft any of those guys this year?  Fournette?  Definitely not.  Robinson?  Probably not.

I think that's an awful way to look at things, we could have easily signed a tackle in FA... RB can be found elsewhere, maybe, we would have drafted kareem hunt or alvin kamara this year with a middle round pick in round 2 or 3?

that game can be played all kinds of ways

fact is coughlin is the major reason this team turned things around immediately, I'm sure Marrone should get a lot of credit too, but Coughlin turned this thing around over night

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