(02-09-2018, 05:32 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:

(02-09-2018, 03:28 PM)TheSchmidt Wrote: Wouldn't developing talent at positions on defense currently filled with high salary and older players be a more realistic move for the Jags salary cap situation than gambling on the most difficult position to find a long term solution for? 

If we're moving up in the draft, it'd have to be for Jackson, Allen, or Rudolph. Don't see how they can realistically get one of the other three without mortgaging the next 2-4 drafts. And I'm not comfortable giving up multiple picks for the first three guys I listed.

EDIT: Just remembered KC moved from 27 to 10 last year for Mahomes and it cost them 27, their 3rd that year, and a 2018 first. If Mayfield falls out of the top 10, seems like something that could be doable.

No. Most of the best QB's in the NFL were drafted by their current teams. QB is the face of the team, Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Wilson, Stafford, Ryan, Rivers and Newton were all drafted by their current teams and allowed to develop. Our defense is a unit made up of a nice mix of guys we drafted, (Ramsey, Smith, Jack, Ngakoue) and guys we signed in free agency, (Campbell, Bouye, Dareus, Gipson and Church.) You need a healthy dose of both to balance the unit. It's not a single position like QB is. 

We wouldn't have to trade up for Jackson he'll go in round 2. Rudolph should fall to our pick, so we likely wouldn't have to trade up for him either. I wouldn't want Allen. He's as inconsistent as Bortles is. We could realistically move up into position to get Rosen, Mayfield or Darnold (if we want him), without setting this team back. I used the trade value chart to figure up the totals, so here is a hypothetical deal we could do to possibly move up to the Colts #3 pick. Stay with me here. The Colts #3 overall pick has a value of 2200 points. That's the goal we much reach. What if we offered our first round pick, #29 overall (640 pts.), our 3rd rounder (128 points), our first round pick in 2019 (640 pts) our third round pick in 2019 (128 points, a 2nd round pick in 2020 (292 pts.), Abry Jones (I approximated the value of a mid 4th round pick 70 pts), Allen Hurns (I approximate the value of a mid 2nd rounder 420 pts.), T.J. Yeldon (I approximate the value of a mid 4th rounder 70 pts.) and a 2nd round pick in 2020 (128 pts.)

Colts 

#3 pick 2200 pts.


Jags 

#29 pick 640 pts.
#93 pick 128 pts.
2019 first rounder 640 pts.
2019 3rd rounder 128 pts.
Allen Hurns (420 pts.)
Abry Jones (70 pts.)
T.J. Yeldon (70 pts.)
2020 3rd rounder (128 pts.)

Total 2224 points


I know that looks like a lot on paper, but in reality we wouldn't give up a crippling amount. I hate to get rid of Hurns, but if it lands us a QB, I can take it. It just means Cole and Westbrook would need to take on bigger roles. Jones and Yeldon are spot starters at best, so Dareus and Grant can step up and take larger roles. With that said, Hurns and Yeldon would likely serve key roles in Indy as the likely #2 WR and a guy to compete for the starting RB job. Jones should immediately fill a starters role at DT, as the Colts have a hard time stopping the run. We'd would basically only be give up a 3rd rounder this coming draft, as the swap of first rounders cancels each other out. We could then use our existing 2nd rounder to either fill a need at TE or OG and use picks in rounds 4-7 to upgrade areas of need. In 2019, we would be giving up our 1st and 3rd round picks, but I would expect us to be almost a complete team with no glaring needs, if everything goes to plan. Finally we would give up a 2020 3rd round pick, but our 1st and 2nd rounder would still be in our possession. I know this is a hypothetical, but trading up high enough to get Rosen or Mayfield is not out of the realm of possibility. It can be done without mortaging the future, as long as we get creative.

I like what you've done here, but we'd have to give up significantly more than what you are indicating. You gave 2019 and 2020 draft picks the same points as if they were 2018 draft picks. Future draft picks are not valued the same. The general rule of thumb is that you lose a round's worth of value for the following year's picks.

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