(03-15-2018, 08:39 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(03-14-2018, 12:07 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: So now interference has become the new collusion.  

Dammit! Hillary was supposed to win! (lays on ground and starts flailing) Dammit! Dammit! Dammit! Interfusion! Colluference!

There are several levels to this issue.  First, did the Russians try to influence the result of the election, and secondly, did Trump or anyone in his campaign know about it, and thirdly, if they did know about it, how did they respond.  

Of course, if the answer to the first question is yes, it doesn't mean that Trump or any of his people knew about it.   So you don't have to fight so hard on the question of interference in order to avoid the question of collusion.   I think we're all smart enough to separate those two questions.

You are muddying the waters by basically stating that interference and collusion are the same thing but stating they are separate. They are not he same and really shouldn't be discussed in the same breathe. We've started to see the same thing in the media with the constant goal post moving. Let's be clear...the investigation is about Trump and his team colluding with the Russian government to influence the election. You know the results so far...zero, nothing, zilch. Now on to the interference portion, yes, and thirteen Russians were indicted. But once again, the media points the finger at Trump for this. Russia has played games with countries election for decades. As far as the US, the Obama administration had proof of a social media disinformation blitz in 2014, and National Security Council and State Department were fully aware. So I ask, how is Trump at fault here? Finally, we need also to be honest and state that this was a disinformation campaign, not hacking of any offline voting machines to change the numbers (only hacks on record were by Homeland Security on a Florida database not related to voter results just registration). Actual result fudging was left to some erratic Democrats at a few Florida polling stations down south.

So yes, there are several levels to this but most lead towards the previous administrations non-action. There is also a new book, Michael Isikoff's 'Russian Roulette' , that claims Obama had used Fusion GPSs' services in 2012.

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