(03-15-2018, 06:53 PM)I am Yoda Wrote:

(03-15-2018, 05:04 PM)Bullseye Wrote: In other words, irrespective of level of mobility, a QBs primary function is to be able to operate effectively within the pocket (presnap reads, pass drops, reading the defense, sensing the rush, mechanics, quick and good decision making, accuracy, etc).  A QB can have mobility, but without the ability to function effectively within the pocket, a "dual threat" QB is nothing of the sort.

I disagree with that definition (and I suspect you do, too).  If you cannot operate within the pocket at all, you're not in the league.  It is a matter of operating there with competence.   Blake has sometimes struggled with it, but has been improving.  I don't think he has ever been considered a running qb.  RG3 relied too much on his legs, didn't have adequate pocket skills, and then through misuse was injured and never had the opportunity to develop as he might have.  Steve Young had the label of a running qb back in the day (when he was coming out of college).  But his pocket skills were ok AND he had time to develop them.  Mike Vick was the exception, I think.  While he never developed his accuracy to my liking, he had most of the other pocket skills.  He was a transcendent talent! And he was never a champion.

All that being said, I think you're objecting to my use of "dual threat".  I'd love to see you plainly articulate why.

I don't disagree with that definition, and despite your protest, your subsequent clarification indicates we are more in agreement than you might think.

I have used it for years to explain the distinction between an effective passer what has the ability to scramble and a highly mobile guy who can't function as a passer who happens to play QB.

I'm not objecting to your use of the term "dual threat" as I am to what I perceive to be the inconsistent view of QB mobiilty.

There have been plenty of successful mobile QBs throughout the years.

Fran Tarkenton, Roger "the dodger" Staubach, Joe Montana, John Elway, Steve Young, Brett Favre, Joe Theismann, Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair, Russell Wilson, Mark Brunell, Rich Gannon are but a few QBs who have succeeded in the NFL being mobile and having the ability to scramble.  If you watched any of them play, you'd know their mobility was a HUGE part of their games.

There have also been guys who have had similar or superior mobility to the guys listed above like Cade McNown, Rick Mirer, Reggie Collier, Heath Shuler, Kyle Boller, J.P. Losman, Vince Young, RG III and many others who have failed miserably.

What's the difference between group A and group B?

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