(03-21-2018, 04:11 PM)pirkster Wrote: (03-21-2018, 03:33 PM)JackCity Wrote: He doesn't throw with anticipation on out routes, he doesn't throw with anticipation on MOF routes. His inaccuracy in the short game is consistent. He doesn't feel pressure well which makes every 3rd and long an adventure. He doesn't flow through his reads quick enough to take advantage of windows. He's turnover prone.
And I'm not sure where I said they weren't correctable or coachable. Just that they are inherently limiting for him as a QB. And then you also said he'd have no problem running an NFL scheme, when all we have seen is him struggling to run a fairly simplistic scheme in college against bad opposition , albeit called "pro style" because he snaps the ball under center occasionally. He's a big projection, more so then the rest of the top guys.
Which NFL concepts do you see him executing well at the college level?
I'm afraid it's not as easy as that. Again, I didn't say it wasn't correctable, just that it's hard. Correcting footwork will help accuracy but it doesn't suddenly turn an extremely inaccurate QB into an accurate one. Release point, shoulder mechanics, elbow position, along with thousands and thousands of reps will help accuracy a lot too but even then it's not an easy fix at all, sometimes QBs just stay inaccurate. So while footwork is one of the easier fixes, that doesn't mean fixing accuracy is.
Yeah agee, he's nowhere near ready to start. He's much more risky because of how much you need to fix with him.
You make a lot of fair points. It's ok that we disagree on what we feel his potential is. He's the definition of boom/bust and our differing takes reflect that truth.
I'm not sure it's noted enough that he's only got two years under his belt at Wyoming.
To answer your question of NFL concepts he executes well, again - he can make all the throws asked of him in the NFL. As good or better than any of his peers, and is the most complete in that regard. That opens the playbook and doesn't force a coordinator to fit him to a system, or alter a system to fit him. He's not like a Leftwich or other QBs who come from mostly shotgun or other non-standard offenses where you aren't doing NFL play action or not taking snaps from under center, doing standard drops, etc.
I think he's one of three we should really be watching. If they don't think he can work for us, I'm fine with that. I'd prefer to sit a guy like Jackson for similar reasons (he can be just as erratic) but offers a more dynamic element that could be taken advantage of by getting him on the field in creative ways. I could also see us taking Rudolph as well.
The more this draws out this class reminds me a lot of 2011 class (only I don't see a Newton caliber at the top.) They could all end up disappointing as they've all got their blemishes. It could be a situation where no matter who we chose, we'll get a guy with an Andy Dalton ceiling (or perhaps another Bortles) if we take one in the first round. That may not be bad short term if he's needed as a bridge. The good thing is, there's no reason to force start whoever we might pick day one.
I just don't think anyone else in this draft that will be taken behind these guys is a potential starter, and nothing more than a career backup. That's only a value if we draft them as such, with a low pick and low expectations. I certainly wouldn't expect a low pick to be able to take Blake's job, and heaven help us if that ends up being the case.
Yeah there isn't really much Inbetween with a guy like Allen. Discussing him with people who like him does let you understand the otherside more then though.
It's one thing to have the physical capability to make all of the throws but I'm more so asking what NFL plays and concepts he has shown he can execute at a good enough level in college. Rosen for instance is a master at cutting up defenses in the middle of the field. He's already great at running shallow cross , comeback routes to the outside and snag. So you can look at his mental process and project it. With Allen there is very few if any of these.
Things do seem to be set up to take a QB in the first but honestly I think I see them going for a pure backup type later on. The Cody Kessler type with limited upside , good accuracy , smart etc etc. Basically another Brandon Allen.
