(04-04-2018, 01:18 PM)pirkster Wrote:

(04-04-2018, 11:02 AM)JackCity Wrote: I think you'd struggle to find any colts fans who would even agree with you on that. 

What grading are you talking about? Who did the grading?

At first I thought you meant draft position, but then realized Moncrief was drafted later. What grades are you on about and why do they matter more than 3 seasons of play in the NFL

Wow, you've been truly triggered over this.  Let's try to hold back just a smidgeon of the homerism, if you would.

ARob didn't become a somebody until just prior to his injury.  He was good and getting better, but nothing special.  2015 was a special year for him, but doesn't explain why 2016 wasn't -  particularly when he had the exact same number of targets in both years (151.)  I, and most objective observers, felt he was going to be come special due to things we were hearing about practices, etc. going into the 2017 season.  But, unfortunately for him, he was injured prior to being able to prove he was taking that next step and becoming someone special.

Moncreif looked really good from the start, but that was his issue.  He missed a lot of play on and off like Marquise Lee for us.  He, too, wasn't able to take that next step and prove he indeed was special.

Talk about revisionist history... the teal glasses do that better than anything, apparently.  We almost always tend to overrate the players we like.  It's natural, I guess.  But that doesn't make it true.

Always try to remember, facts don't care about our feelings.

Moncreif
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/d...id=2543614

Arob
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/a...id=2543509

Robinson is exactly what you want in a #2/possession receiver.  On our club he was forced to be #1, which was somewhat a misfit.  He still did well at it, which speaks well of him.  But, we couldn't offer the kind of money he wanted to continue to have a #2 guy play #1.  We need a true #1.  We may already have him.  We'll see how it all shakes out.  I wouldn't be surprised if we draft someone to compete in the #1 silo.

Moncrief is a #1 and played like it when he was on the field.  He's going to be given his shot to earn it.  His incentive is it being a "prove it" year.

This certainly will be something Jags fans will be keeping an eye on.  And as always, the results, not our feelings, will be the judge.

Calling people triggered when they disagree with you is a meme at this point. And yes I am always accused of being a Jagaurs homer on here. 

Let's break this down. Arob had the same targets in 2015 Vs 2016 BUT (and this is the important part here) all targets are not the same. In 2016 we had a diabolical offense and Blake was playing like one of the worst QBs in football. In 2015 we had him playing v well and our passing attack was incredibly effective. Now Arob definitely played better in 2015 Vs 2016 , but you also have to remember the context it happened in. Use comparisons such as targets only matters if you know the context behind them. 

Moncrief has been a #2 receiver every year hes been with the colts and he actually lost snaps to guys like Chester Rogers in 2017. There's a reason for that. He had a top 10  QB  throwing to him for 2 seasons and he was still meh.  

It's hilarious (and quite cute) that you are using one person's draft grade as evidence of NFL performance. The reality is Moncrief was A) Drafted later for a reason and B) Hasn't performed as well as Arob. That's why the WR barren Colts let him go and why Arob signed a huge FA deal to be a #1 go to receiver.  

Colts fans think Arob is much better than Moncrief. The league thinks Arob is better than Moncrief.
Most fans think Arob is better than Moncrief. 
His production has been better too.

Unfortunately someone's draft grade isn't going to change that.  I hope Moncrief does great and I hope we don't regret Arob leaving , we just don't need to revise the history on both players to make us feel better.

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