(04-04-2018, 01:18 PM)pirkster Wrote:

(04-04-2018, 11:02 AM)JackCity Wrote: I think you'd struggle to find any colts fans who would even agree with you on that. 

What grading are you talking about? Who did the grading?

At first I thought you meant draft position, but then realized Moncrief was drafted later. What grades are you on about and why do they matter more than 3 seasons of play in the NFL

Wow, you've been truly triggered over this.  Let's try to hold back just a smidgeon of the homerism, if you would.

ARob didn't become a somebody until just prior to his injury.  He was good and getting better, but nothing special.  2015 was a special year for him, but doesn't explain why 2016 wasn't -  particularly when he had the exact same number of targets in both years (151.)  I, and most objective observers, felt he was going to be come special due to things we were hearing about practices, etc. going into the 2017 season.  But, unfortunately for him, he was injured prior to being able to prove he was taking that next step and becoming someone special.

Moncreif looked really good from the start, but that was his issue.  He missed a lot of play on and off like Marquise Lee for us.  He, too, wasn't able to take that next step and prove he indeed was special.

Talk about revisionist history... the teal glasses do that better than anything, apparently.  We almost always tend to overrate the players we like.  It's natural, I guess.  But that doesn't make it true.

Always try to remember, facts don't care about our feelings.

Moncreif
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/d...id=2543614

Arob
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/a...id=2543509

Robinson is exactly what you want in a #2/possession receiver.  On our club he was forced to be #1, which was somewhat a misfit.  He still did well at it, which speaks well of him.  But, we couldn't offer the kind of money he wanted to continue to have a #2 guy play #1.  We need a true #1.  We may already have him.  We'll see how it all shakes out.  I wouldn't be surprised if we draft someone to compete in the #1 silo.

Moncrief is a #1 and played like it when he was on the field.  He's going to be given his shot to earn it.  His incentive is it being a "prove it" year.

This certainly will be something Jags fans will be keeping an eye on.  And as always, the results, not our feelings, will be the judge.

Earlier in the thread, you indicated that Moncrief was viewed as the better prospect, and you get at it here by citing these scouting reports.

But better by whom?

For our purposes, the one person whose opinion counted at the time was Caldwell.

In 2014, Caldwell traded back up into the bottom of the 2nd round, and when he did, both Allen Robinson and Dante Moncrief were on the board.

Caldwell chose Robinson over Moncrief.

Is it possible that Caldwell liked Moncrief at the time?  Absolutely. 

Is it possible that Caldwell would have made the same trade up for Moncrief had Robinson been off the board?  Maybe.

But despite the pre draft NFL.com scouting reports you cite, NFL teams are not bound by those reports.  During the 2014 draft, NFL teams spoke on who they perceived to be the better prospect at the time.  Caldwell had a choice to make when both were on the board when he traded up to the bottom of the second round that year.  Once again, he chose Allen Robinson at pick 61.

Moncrief was selected almost a full round later, at the 90th overall pick.  Three other WRs were taken over Moncrief after Allen Robinson was selected.

Did the teams who passed on Moncrief make the right decision?  Who knows?

Might Moncrief end up being a more productive WR here than Robinson was?  I sure as hell hope so.

But unless I've missed something in the debate (a distinct possibility since this morning I only focused on the last couple of pages in this thread) I'm not sure what citing the NFL.com pre draft scouting reports does to advance your argument here.

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