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JackCity · 04-10-2018, 07:14 PM

(04-10-2018, 07:00 PM)Bullseye Wrote:
(04-10-2018, 06:42 PM)JackCity Wrote: The original hypothesis was about Josh Allen (Who I don't think is a franchise guy)

If a team thought he was going to go in the 2nd , but they had him graded as a franchise guy, then it makes more sense to take him in the first than wait.

Honestly I'm not sure what part is difficult in all of this? Its strictly referring to franchise QB prospects.

Your point is not difficult to understand at all.

Hell I actually support your side. I would be very hard pressed to "wait" until later to get a guy I thought was a franchise QB. In fact, I dare say that if there was a guy I felt would be a franchise signal caller, I'd have a much higher grade on him, making the value argument moot. Yes, QBs are different.

But reading the debate brought the 2001 Chargers to mind, and I felt that supported Pirkster's argument. The 2L in me just wanted to see how the debate would transpire.

I do not think the Chargers were sold that Brees was going to be a franchise guy. If they were, I think they would have taken him over Tomlinson.

But my point is there is an argument to be made for knowing how you view a player, and how other teams view a player, and taking a player as low as you can. Just like trading down can maximize value, "knowing the value and the market" for a player maximizes value too.

Okay I understand you better now.

The essential part of what I'm saying is if you have a QB graded as a franchise QB, then you take him ASAP rather than give others the chance. Even if the pre draft consensus seems to be that they will be drafted a round to two later. As you said a lot of this is moot because most franchise guys are already projected in the first. Was really just explaining how teams would view a specific scenario relating to Josh Allen.

Yep fully agree. Generally you aim to take players as low as you can, within reason. No point taking someone like Brandon Linder in the first even if you highly rate him. With QBs , it all goes out the door.