(05-25-2018, 12:29 AM)Jagfan44 Wrote:

(05-20-2018, 10:29 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: How many Finns have won a Nobel prize in a hard science?

Answer: one, Vitaranen in 1945. Their "best education in the world" hasn't created a single Nobel scientist since Finland was still part of Russia.

Meanwhile, plenty of scientists who went through the US education system have won Nobel prizes. Sure, the US has a bigger population, but that shouldn't totally overwhelm "the best education in the world."

I have always thought it is ridiculous all of you guys trying to out smart one another on this forum. 

However, I've got to stick up for my people here. 

First off, what would you define as a "soft" science?

You are talking about 5.5 million people vs 320 million. I would have to say that is a big difference. 

Your post screams of ignorance. I know this is way off topic but goodness, just do a Google search. Finland, per capita is one of the most innovative countries in the world. 

(05-21-2018, 08:03 AM)MalabarJag Wrote:
The Nobel  prizes in chemistry and physics are a recorded measure of the cream of the crop in science. But if you want to name some physicists or chemists from Finland who made great advancements in science but didn't get a prize, be my guest. I'm guessing that whoever named Finland "the best education in the world" is using poor criteria to make that list. Do you think that having everyone get merely an above mediocre education is better than a system that produces great people?

As far as your second paragraph, I'm not familiar with the specifics of every American scientist who won a Nobel prize, but I doubt they were all children of rich people who could afford to send them to elite schools.

Maybe having a monocultural European-based society in Finland has something to do with fewer school shootings and fewer students who end up with a poor education. Note that the increase in school shootings in the US correlates with a movement to promote cultural diversity ahead of the long existing British-based value system in the US. It doesn't correlate with the availability of guns.

A little better here. 

The credibility or criteria used by "whoever" who named Finland as having the best schools? I don't even know what to say.

Your last sentence I do agree with you.

Hard sciences are physics, chemistry, biology, math, engineering, mechanical, and medical. Soft sciences are demographics and issues based.

And does the difference in population size matter to the applicability of things like gun control laws and social programs as well? Because I think the size and demographics of a country directly correlate to the success of the things we discuss here.

And I for one would never mess with Finland. Those bastards are rough when they get riled up.

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