(05-26-2018, 09:54 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(05-26-2018, 09:35 AM)mikesez Wrote: The necessity of the government is absolute.
The prevention it offers is real and significant but admittedly not absolute.
If we had no government, individuals would hurt each other with impunity and regularity.
Because we have an Effective Government this happens much more rarely and is punished when it happens.

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What do you think Freedom means? Should you and I be free to murder and rape and Rob others if we want to?

The power to act, speak, or think as one wishes without restraint. That's the definition, and it carries no moral connotation. So yes, freedom means raping, killing, stealing, because freedom is the freedom to choose actions that are morally good and morally evil. We use government to restrain that freedom, it's necessary to do so to produce a civil society. Government by nature of its very existence restrains some freedom, in every case, always.

Sure your definitions are now at least internally consistent, and here you've explicitly stated that some restriction on freedom is necessary. So why did you come at me with "that restricts Freedom" as a line of attack against my ideas?

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(05-26-2018, 01:55 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote:

(05-26-2018, 09:35 AM)mikesez Wrote: The necessity of the government is absolute.
The prevention it offers is real and significant but admittedly not absolute.
If we had no government, individuals would hurt each other with impunity and regularity.
Because we have an Effective Government this happens much more rarely and is punished when it happens.

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What do you think Freedom means? Should you and I be free to murder and rape and Rob others if we want to?

It's very clear to me that you live a life of fear. And you've deluded yourself into thinking the Government can protect you to alleviate your fear.

I've always wondered how the beta thought. It must be very hard to make decisions if everything you do is based on fear.

Learn to protect yourself and your family and suddenly the fear goes away.

You could really do without the armchair psychology. 
You have no idea how I choose to defend myself or how often I have fear.
When I consider these questions about how society should work, I really try to consider people other than myself. Society will always have physically weaker individuals who rely on others for protection. 
However we answer these questions about how to provide that necessary protection, there are questions about taking care of others, and how we take care of ourselves and our families is irrelevant to answering it.

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