(05-26-2018, 03:10 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(05-26-2018, 02:02 PM)mikesez Wrote: Sure your definitions are now at least internally consistent, and here you've explicitly stated that some restriction on freedom is necessary. So why did you come at me with "that restricts Freedom" as a line of attack against my ideas?

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You could really do without the armchair psychology. 
You have no idea how I choose to defend myself or how often I have fear.
When I consider these questions about how society should work, I really try to consider people other than myself. Society will always have physically weaker individuals who rely on others for protection. 
However we answer these questions about how to provide that necessary protection, there are questions about taking care of others, and how we take care of ourselves and our families is irrelevant to answering it.

Because, again, your "no government equals no freedom" is a false statement. Basing your greater ideas on that faulty premise leads to wrong conclusions.  I'm glad that you're beginning to understand where you're mistaken, I'll try to help you along this path of learning.

As far as your next response to TP, the questions about caring for others depend on you telling me how much I'm obligated to care for other people. You take my taxes to provide for weaker people whether I want to or not. Really sounds like you're ok with restricting my freedom to use my earned money as I choose to so that you can use my money how you choose, do you agree?

Both of our statements are correct within each of our definitions of freedom. If you judge my statement on your definition of freedom it is incorrect. If I read your statement based on my definition of freedom your statement is also incorrect.
I don't take your taxes you can you should stop making this personal. Even if I was the president of the United States I would not be the one taking your taxes. Even if I was the County Tax Collector, I might be taking that money, but I would have no control over how it got spent. The taxes go to an abstract entity called the government that we all get to vote for.

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