(05-31-2018, 10:10 AM)Jagwired Wrote: A nation without secure boarders is not a nation.
For those opposing the "Wall" what is your solution?
Do you even feel the boarders need to be secured?
Do you really not see and comprehend the social and economic impact that illegal immigrants place upon our tax payers?
Something has to be done.
Most borders are less secure than the US Mexico border, around the world.
People were allowed to pass freely in and out of our ports and across our border from 1783 to about 1920. Were we not a nation in that time period?
(05-31-2018, 12:44 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: (05-30-2018, 10:19 PM)TJBender Wrote: The overwhelming majority of Palestinians trying to get into Israel are not looking for a job.
The overwhelming majority of Mexicans trying to get into the US are not trying to blow up Phoenix.
You're taking two very different groups of people, job-seeking immigrants and virgin-seeking jihadists, and applying the same label to them. Israel has a right to defend its borders however it sees fit. Their method of doing so should not be held up as an example to the US, because we don't have neighbors that would really like "their" country back. Generally speaking, Israeli methods of ensuring national security have no place in a modern society outside of Israel.
Much of this is true, but I'd argue that they're not just "job-seeking". When half of the illegal immigrants that get into America are on government assistance, we contribute to an unsustainable problem. Why do they have to want to hurt us for us to keep them out?
Illegal immigrants do not qualify for government assistance. Their kids go to public school and they do take get kicked out of emergency rooms for inability to pay. That's it.
(05-31-2018, 12:38 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: (05-30-2018, 07:56 PM)TJBender Wrote: Israel also has a disproportionately huge military presence, shoot on sight policies, a history of human rights abuses, zero civil liberties for anyone not born Israeli, and the type of ego that can only come from almost 70 years of state sponsored terrorism being sanctioned by a sympathetic West. They're a great role model if your goal is a country motivated by xenophobia and zionism with the illusion of "elections" every few years.
They have a huge military presence because it's necessary to their survival. I'm a big proponent of leaving countries to themselves (Israel included). But to play devil's advocate here, if we leave them to care for themselves without the backing of the US military, they would probably take back Gaza Strip, West Bank, and everything else. Their shoot-on-sight politicies pertain to people invading their country. People, by the way, that are usually Hamas.
Israel is the only secular country in the middle east. How can you say they have zero civil liberties? They're the only country, aside from maybe Syria, that you can openly express your religious and personal beliefs without physical violence. Maybe you can give some examples because they even have Palestinians holding political offices.
Lebanon and Jordan also have governments that won't punish religious speech. But mobs can form in both.
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