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Kane · 05-31-2018, 03:08 PM

(05-31-2018, 01:49 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(05-31-2018, 11:16 AM)Kane Wrote: Pay taxes, learn some English, take driving tests to properly be licensed to drive... buy insurance....(i'm sure there's more but I'm pretty sure you're being purposefully obtuse)
ya know... simple every day things that most of us would be punished in some form or another for not doing or taking part in.

Then again... maybe you don't know what assimilate means
the process of adapting or adjusting to the culture of a group or nation, or the state of being so adapted

I think we could save money by not building a wall and just hiring more ICE and Border Patrol while also allowing them to actually do their job.

I'd go further with it (like shoot on sight) but I'd probably be called racist or something.

Most illegal immigrants held a driving license in their native country. They don't get one here because by law they can not. You can't say, "I expect them to assimilate!" when your definition of assimilation requires them to commit fraud.
Unfortunately a sort of limited amnesty would have to come before this definition of assimilation.
On the other hand, your definition of assimilation kinda sucks.

Couple things... if they come legally, they could then assimilate without committing fraud lol
also... my definition of assimilation came from the dictionary, so I guess take it up with them

(05-31-2018, 02:33 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(05-31-2018, 11:16 AM)Kane Wrote: Pay taxes, learn some English, take driving tests to properly be licensed to drive... buy insurance....(i'm sure there's more but I'm pretty sure you're being purposefully obtuse)
ya know... simple every day things that most of us would be punished in some form or another for not doing or taking part in.

Then again... maybe you don't know what assimilate means
the process of adapting or adjusting to the culture of a group or nation, or the state of being so adapted

I think we could save money by not building a wall and just hiring more ICE and Border Patrol while also allowing them to actually do their job.

I'd go further with it (like shoot on sight) but I'd probably be called racist or something.

I actually agree. I don't know if I'd go for a shoot on sight order, but if illegals are trying to cross and they can't be arrested and will make it in illegally, then I would give our agents/military the power to shoot to kill, but arrests should be the first option. I'd also go a little further. Instead of having military bases in countries that don't want us there, bring those military personnel back home and station them along the border where they can actually protect our nation, first hand. The stronger the presence, the less people will want to cross the border.

Yeah... shoot on sight is extreme...
but you get it and I agree with you about the military part as well

(05-31-2018, 01:43 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(05-31-2018, 10:10 AM)Jagwired Wrote: A nation without secure boarders is not a nation.

For those opposing the "Wall" what is your solution?

Do you even feel the boarders need to be secured?

Do you really not see and comprehend the social and economic impact that illegal immigrants place upon our tax payers?

Something has to be done.

Most borders are less secure than the US Mexico border, around the world.

People were allowed to pass freely in and out of our ports and across our border from 1783 to about 1920. Were we not a nation in that time period?

(05-31-2018, 12:44 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: Much of this is true, but I'd argue that they're not just "job-seeking". When half of the illegal immigrants that get into America are on government assistance, we contribute to an unsustainable problem. Why do they have to want to hurt us for us to keep them out?

Illegal immigrants do not qualify for government assistance. Their kids go to public school and they do take get kicked out of emergency rooms for inability to pay. That's it.

(05-31-2018, 12:38 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: They have a huge military presence because it's necessary to their survival. I'm a big proponent of leaving countries to themselves (Israel included). But to play devil's advocate here, if we leave them to care for themselves without the backing of the US military, they would probably take back Gaza Strip, West Bank, and everything else. Their shoot-on-sight politicies pertain to people invading their country. People, by the way, that are usually Hamas.

Israel is the only secular country in the middle east. How can you say they have zero civil liberties? They're the only country, aside from maybe Syria, that you can openly express your religious and personal beliefs without physical violence. Maybe you can give some examples because they even have Palestinians holding political offices.

Lebanon and Jordan also have governments that won't punish religious speech. But mobs can form in both.

You would probably be surprised by how many illegal immigrants receive welfare assistance. • Of illegal immigrant households with children, 87 percent access one or more welfare programs compared to 52 percent of native households https://cis.org/sites/default/files/cama...gals_1.pdf

Much in the same way they find employment.... at face value they all have (fraudulent or illegal) documentation of some sort and for the most part businesses and the US government accept whatever they give. (Because why not, right)