(05-31-2018, 01:43 PM)mikesez Wrote:

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(05-31-2018, 12:44 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: Much of this is true, but I'd argue that they're not just "job-seeking". When half of the illegal immigrants that get into America are on government assistance, we contribute to an unsustainable problem. Why do they have to want to hurt us for us to keep them out?

Illegal immigrants do not qualify for government assistance.  Their kids go to public school and they do take get kicked out of emergency rooms for inability to pay.  That's it.

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(05-31-2018, 12:38 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: They have a huge military presence because it's necessary to their survival. I'm a big proponent of leaving countries to themselves (Israel included). But to play devil's advocate here, if we leave them to care for themselves without the backing of the US military, they would probably take back Gaza Strip, West Bank, and everything else. Their shoot-on-sight politicies pertain to people invading their country. People, by the way, that are usually Hamas.

Israel is the only secular country in the middle east. How can you say they have zero civil liberties? They're the only country, aside from maybe Syria, that you can openly express your religious and personal beliefs without physical violence. Maybe you can give some examples because they even have Palestinians holding political offices.

Lebanon and Jordan also have governments that won't punish religious speech.  But mobs can form in both.

They're generally ineligible, but there are programs that will aid them. The kids they have certainly are eligible. They come over pregnant or have a child shortly after coming over. 86% of illegal immigrant households that use government assistance have a child, and the same percentage use more than one type of assistance. They absolutely abuse the system. 

My wife is a nurse that works in an ER. A privately held hospital can refuse treatment except during an emergency. Public hospitals are forbidden from turning patients away. So, I'm not sure where you got your information. She's never seen a patient refused care, and she sees a lot of immigrants that she suspects are illegal provide false information in order to get out of paying.

While Lebanon and Jordan are better examples of religious freedom in the middle east, they're no where close to Israel's status. In Lebanon, certain religions are not allowed to marry or inherit property. They're also governed strictly, and many Christians believe that they restrict their ability to do certain things so as to limit their numbers. Proselytizing isn't technically illegal, but it's often stopped under threat of violence. And the judges, many of whom share the criminals' beliefs, don't often punish the offender. Jordan is worse than Lebanon, too. 

You can't even compare those two to Israel.

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