This thread has turned to major lols.

Let's be clear - porkulous and the tainted bailouts were never a good idea, no matter who the president. It was a waste of money to ease the burst instead of letting the market correct itself, meaning a slower, longer fall that resulted in an unnecessarily and artificially elongated recovery with nothing to show for the wasted money. Per usual, the career politicians on each side cast their vote in support to buy votes (not because they were good ideas, they just sold easily and well to the uninformed.)

Our country was formed by settlers, those seeking establishment of a new country where they had shared values. Today's illegal immigrants are nothing of the sort, they come to claim resources without contributing. They see the self induced problems we've created through poor immigration policy. But one party has realized they can be abused for illegal votes. Let them pour in, grant amnesty later but find a way to allow them to vote now, and they will have built a monarchy for their party. Problem is, that trojan horse will backfire as there's no cultural assimilation or positive contribution to society. Just growth of the nanny state, which is already proven unsustainable. This is Alinsky tactics. Cripple/topple the system by overrunning it.

Let's be real about it. All else is nonsense.

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