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So much HATE under Trump


(07-26-2018, 11:23 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(07-26-2018, 09:27 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: You are either knowingly lying, or clearly have no clue. The bank bailouts were passed with more Democrats than Republicans. Even the leftist Politifact admits this. There were plenty of "right wing" critics of the bank bailout and the Pubs who voted for it were centrists, not conservatives.

Stimulus wasn't "suddenly bad." The nature of Obama's so-called stimulus, vastly increasing spending instead of the tax cut method in the Bush stimulus (and it was in 2001, not 2005), was the point of disagreement.

These points had nothing to do with Obama's skin color. It had nothing to do with party affiliation either, other than the fact that those policies are tied to party affiliation.

Let's see that politifact article.  The bailout started in the Senate, and a majority of the Republican senators voted yes.  Then the bailout went to the House, where a majority of Republican members voted no.  Then it went to the President, and the Republican signed the bill.
So in two out of three steps the Republican party endorsed the legislation.  It's also true that a majority of the Democrats supported the bill in the Senate and in the House, but that's not relevant to my point.  My point is that Republicans used to support that kind of thing, and then changed their minds.

As for stimulus, we both have the dates wrong.  Bush passed two stimuli, 2001 and 2008.  You are correct that the Bush stimulus was purely temporary tax cuts, both times, but the Obama stimulus was 2/3 spending and 1/3 tax cuts.  But every spending bill passed during the Bush Administration also added to large deficits, all deficits are stimulative, and all of them for the first six years had majority Republican support.  I don't see how doing the taxes and the spending in separate bills is really more morally defensible than combining them, but, whatever.

The word Politifact was a link, and you are dead wrong about the Senate.

I don't remember a 2008 stimulus, unless you are counting the bail out as a stimulus. The Dems controlled both houses in 2008, so if there was a stimulus it was a Dem bill signed by Bush, who was not a conservative.

The tax cuts under Obama were cuts to the employee portion of FICA. I had no disagreement with that part of it, but it was not a stimulus. In 2009 there were a lot of people hurting, and many of the temporary laws passed then were necessary, although they were in the realm of welfare, not stimulus.

I agree that spending was too high under Bush. Bush wasn't given a pass by the right for the overspending. Most conservatives opposed the spending increases, and I sent an E-mail to Speaker Hastert and Senate Majority leader Frist (and to my own congressman and senators) expressing my anger at the overspending (Senator Frist actually personally responded, my congressman and senators didn't even reply with a form letter). Admittedly, some of the spending was needed in response to the 9/11 attack, but much was wasted rebuilding Iraq. There were also big increases in domestic spending.




                                                                          

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So much HATE under Trump - by Jags02 - 07-21-2018, 03:27 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-21-2018, 04:01 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Jags02 - 07-21-2018, 04:20 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-22-2018, 08:20 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Adam2012 - 07-22-2018, 08:46 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-22-2018, 08:49 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by TJBender - 07-22-2018, 11:46 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-21-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-21-2018, 06:19 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-21-2018, 07:09 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-21-2018, 07:19 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-21-2018, 09:03 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by StroudCrowd1 - 07-21-2018, 09:09 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-21-2018, 09:11 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by StroudCrowd1 - 07-21-2018, 09:35 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Jags02 - 07-22-2018, 01:41 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by FBT - 07-22-2018, 02:44 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-22-2018, 03:16 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-22-2018, 03:37 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-22-2018, 04:59 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-22-2018, 05:47 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-22-2018, 07:15 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-22-2018, 07:39 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-22-2018, 10:31 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-23-2018, 07:03 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Jags02 - 07-23-2018, 02:44 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-23-2018, 02:47 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-23-2018, 03:54 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-23-2018, 08:11 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-23-2018, 08:53 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by copycat - 07-23-2018, 07:24 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-23-2018, 08:52 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-23-2018, 11:01 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by copycat - 07-23-2018, 11:49 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-23-2018, 12:39 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by copycat - 07-23-2018, 12:54 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-23-2018, 01:01 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-23-2018, 01:11 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by lastonealive - 07-21-2018, 07:39 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by StroudCrowd1 - 07-21-2018, 07:55 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by lastonealive - 07-21-2018, 08:20 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by StroudCrowd1 - 07-21-2018, 08:38 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-21-2018, 08:56 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by lastonealive - 07-21-2018, 11:47 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-21-2018, 09:44 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by StroudCrowd1 - 07-21-2018, 09:48 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by rollerjag - 07-22-2018, 12:29 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-22-2018, 12:36 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by The Drifter - 07-22-2018, 12:39 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-22-2018, 01:03 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by The Drifter - 07-22-2018, 01:08 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-22-2018, 01:53 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-22-2018, 02:25 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Jags02 - 07-22-2018, 07:23 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by FBT - 07-26-2018, 07:41 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 08:17 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by FBT - 07-26-2018, 08:43 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 09:43 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 09:59 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 10:17 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Kane - 07-26-2018, 10:18 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 10:59 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-26-2018, 10:42 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by jj82284 - 07-26-2018, 11:39 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 12:02 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-26-2018, 09:27 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 11:23 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-26-2018, 11:49 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 12:23 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-23-2018, 01:33 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-23-2018, 01:44 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-23-2018, 05:37 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-23-2018, 05:53 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Kotite - 07-23-2018, 06:06 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-23-2018, 06:40 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-23-2018, 07:38 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-24-2018, 06:03 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-24-2018, 11:23 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by copycat - 07-24-2018, 12:31 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-24-2018, 12:44 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by copycat - 07-24-2018, 04:10 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-24-2018, 04:30 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-24-2018, 04:38 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by copycat - 07-24-2018, 04:42 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-24-2018, 05:20 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by copycat - 07-25-2018, 07:59 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-25-2018, 11:05 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-25-2018, 01:25 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-25-2018, 02:31 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-25-2018, 03:08 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-25-2018, 03:48 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-25-2018, 02:05 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by TJBender - 07-23-2018, 11:50 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-24-2018, 11:16 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-24-2018, 12:08 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-24-2018, 12:18 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-24-2018, 12:41 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-24-2018, 12:57 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Caldrac - 07-24-2018, 12:21 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Adam2012 - 07-24-2018, 12:37 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Caldrac - 07-24-2018, 02:19 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-24-2018, 06:17 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-25-2018, 04:12 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-25-2018, 08:01 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by FBT - 07-26-2018, 07:52 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 08:23 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-25-2018, 05:37 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by jj82284 - 07-25-2018, 09:44 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-25-2018, 10:27 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 12:30 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 07:00 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 08:33 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by JagNGeorgia - 07-26-2018, 01:29 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 07:08 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by jj82284 - 07-26-2018, 03:16 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 06:54 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 08:18 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 11:38 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Kane - 07-26-2018, 10:16 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 10:50 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by copycat - 07-26-2018, 11:31 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 11:56 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-26-2018, 07:17 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 09:07 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 08:22 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-27-2018, 08:42 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 09:13 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-27-2018, 09:18 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-27-2018, 10:31 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 10:40 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-27-2018, 10:51 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 11:25 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-27-2018, 11:43 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 12:18 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Kane - 07-27-2018, 02:43 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-27-2018, 03:31 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 03:58 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-27-2018, 07:04 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-27-2018, 04:41 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Kane - 07-26-2018, 03:51 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-26-2018, 04:10 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 05:01 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-26-2018, 11:02 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 11:47 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Kane - 07-26-2018, 03:35 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-26-2018, 11:40 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by jj82284 - 07-26-2018, 11:49 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 12:10 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-26-2018, 11:55 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 12:15 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 12:18 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-26-2018, 12:28 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 12:37 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-26-2018, 01:01 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 01:57 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-26-2018, 12:29 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 12:34 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-26-2018, 12:27 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-26-2018, 12:30 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-26-2018, 02:01 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 02:47 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-26-2018, 03:35 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Byron LeftTown - 07-26-2018, 02:14 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-26-2018, 02:23 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 02:43 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-26-2018, 02:43 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 03:04 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-26-2018, 05:04 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 05:50 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-26-2018, 05:12 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-26-2018, 06:32 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 08:31 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-27-2018, 08:58 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-27-2018, 07:24 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 07:25 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-27-2018, 08:04 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 09:21 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-27-2018, 11:27 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 09:26 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-27-2018, 10:26 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-28-2018, 08:24 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-06-2018, 04:51 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by StroudCrowd1 - 08-06-2018, 06:52 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-07-2018, 10:28 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 10:51 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-07-2018, 11:18 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by StroudCrowd1 - 08-07-2018, 11:20 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-07-2018, 11:24 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 11:30 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 11:25 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-07-2018, 11:30 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 08-07-2018, 12:01 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-07-2018, 12:06 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 03:39 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by StroudCrowd1 - 08-07-2018, 03:58 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 04:14 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 08-07-2018, 05:31 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 06:31 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 08-07-2018, 07:47 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 08:15 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 08-07-2018, 09:05 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 10:35 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 08-07-2018, 10:43 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 08-08-2018, 11:57 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by jj82284 - 08-08-2018, 12:34 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by jj82284 - 08-07-2018, 05:44 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 07:51 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by jj82284 - 08-08-2018, 10:44 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-07-2018, 01:32 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by JagNGeorgia - 08-07-2018, 05:31 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-08-2018, 12:47 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 08-09-2018, 07:44 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-23-2018, 12:21 PM



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