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So much HATE under Trump

(This post was last modified: 07-26-2018, 11:59 AM by jj82284.)

The basic definitions of right winger and left winger are flawed. The right believes in individual rights as expressed in the declaration of independence. As you pointed out, that blueprint for constitutional republicanism is wholly antithetical to slavery (democrats) and Jim crow (democrats.) It was this adherence that shaped the 13th 14th and 15th amendments, the civil rights acts before 1964 and the aspiration of American blacks from the civil war to the early 60's.

The left has ALWAYS marketed itself on the power of the state to enforce GROUP RIGHTS. The irritations change depending on the voting group it is trying to court. When it was the white working class then you saw 50k klansman marching down Manhattan to the democratic national convention. When its modern feminism or certain minority groups you have ranting against a new boogey man, "evil white males."

In the mid 60s after the legal framework of Jim crow was rightly destroyed the southern democratic party marketed itself to blacks in the same way the northern democrats marketed themselves to immigrant populations. "Vote for us and well give u stuff". This was a conversion that started to manifest in the 30s with aspects of the new deal that was fully consummated with the adaptation of the Tammeny style great society. The question was no longer about equal access or opportunity. It was about the false promise of equal outcome through government intervention.

Does that mean LBJ loved blacks? No. He loved being president! Mlk and the civil rights leaders actually pushed through legislation that Johnson Kennedy gore etc. Had all previously opposed. Johnson is quoted saying some of the most vial racist things long after the passage of the cra vra and the new deal.

Moreover. No one As is how the great society affected blacks. For long periods post reconstruction blacks had higher marriage rates and lower unemployment rates than whites. Black teens were more likely to be employed. In the 50s the black poverty rate fell from 87% to 47% and it was the market demand for black labor and capital that pushed through the legislation you tout. Where are we today? Black families, thanks to the structure of welfare and other government programs, are 50% behind whites in legitimacy rates and we lag behind more economically today than we did in the 60s despite over 22 trillion dollars spent on transfer payments since we declared the war on poverty.
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So much HATE under Trump - by Jags02 - 07-21-2018, 03:27 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-21-2018, 04:01 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Jags02 - 07-21-2018, 04:20 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-22-2018, 08:20 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Adam2012 - 07-22-2018, 08:46 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-22-2018, 08:49 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by TJBender - 07-22-2018, 11:46 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-21-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-21-2018, 06:19 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-21-2018, 07:09 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-21-2018, 07:19 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-21-2018, 09:03 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by StroudCrowd1 - 07-21-2018, 09:09 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-21-2018, 09:11 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by StroudCrowd1 - 07-21-2018, 09:35 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Jags02 - 07-22-2018, 01:41 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by FBT - 07-22-2018, 02:44 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-22-2018, 03:16 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-22-2018, 03:37 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-22-2018, 04:59 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-22-2018, 05:47 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-22-2018, 07:15 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-22-2018, 07:39 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-22-2018, 10:31 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-23-2018, 07:03 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Jags02 - 07-23-2018, 02:44 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-23-2018, 02:47 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-23-2018, 03:54 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-23-2018, 08:11 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-23-2018, 08:53 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by copycat - 07-23-2018, 07:24 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-23-2018, 08:52 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-23-2018, 11:01 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by copycat - 07-23-2018, 11:49 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-23-2018, 12:39 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by copycat - 07-23-2018, 12:54 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-23-2018, 01:01 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-23-2018, 01:11 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by lastonealive - 07-21-2018, 07:39 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by StroudCrowd1 - 07-21-2018, 07:55 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by lastonealive - 07-21-2018, 08:20 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by StroudCrowd1 - 07-21-2018, 08:38 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-21-2018, 08:56 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by lastonealive - 07-21-2018, 11:47 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-21-2018, 09:44 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by StroudCrowd1 - 07-21-2018, 09:48 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by rollerjag - 07-22-2018, 12:29 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-22-2018, 12:36 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by The Drifter - 07-22-2018, 12:39 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-22-2018, 01:03 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by The Drifter - 07-22-2018, 01:08 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-22-2018, 01:53 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-22-2018, 02:25 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Jags02 - 07-22-2018, 07:23 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by FBT - 07-26-2018, 07:41 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 08:17 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by FBT - 07-26-2018, 08:43 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 09:43 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 09:59 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 10:17 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Kane - 07-26-2018, 10:18 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 10:59 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-26-2018, 10:42 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by jj82284 - 07-26-2018, 11:39 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 12:02 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-26-2018, 09:27 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 11:23 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-26-2018, 11:49 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 12:23 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-23-2018, 01:33 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-23-2018, 01:44 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-23-2018, 05:37 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-23-2018, 05:53 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Kotite - 07-23-2018, 06:06 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-23-2018, 06:40 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-23-2018, 07:38 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-24-2018, 06:03 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-24-2018, 11:23 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by copycat - 07-24-2018, 12:31 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-24-2018, 12:44 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by copycat - 07-24-2018, 04:10 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-24-2018, 04:30 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-24-2018, 04:38 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by copycat - 07-24-2018, 04:42 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-24-2018, 05:20 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by copycat - 07-25-2018, 07:59 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-25-2018, 11:05 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-25-2018, 01:25 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-25-2018, 02:31 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-25-2018, 03:08 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-25-2018, 03:48 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-25-2018, 02:05 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by TJBender - 07-23-2018, 11:50 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-24-2018, 11:16 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-24-2018, 12:08 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-24-2018, 12:18 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-24-2018, 12:41 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-24-2018, 12:57 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Caldrac - 07-24-2018, 12:21 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Adam2012 - 07-24-2018, 12:37 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Caldrac - 07-24-2018, 02:19 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-24-2018, 06:17 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-25-2018, 04:12 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-25-2018, 08:01 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by FBT - 07-26-2018, 07:52 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 08:23 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-25-2018, 05:37 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by jj82284 - 07-25-2018, 09:44 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-25-2018, 10:27 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 12:30 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 07:00 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 08:33 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by JagNGeorgia - 07-26-2018, 01:29 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 07:08 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by jj82284 - 07-26-2018, 03:16 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 06:54 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 08:18 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 11:38 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Kane - 07-26-2018, 10:16 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 10:50 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by copycat - 07-26-2018, 11:31 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 11:56 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-26-2018, 07:17 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 09:07 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 08:22 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-27-2018, 08:42 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 09:13 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-27-2018, 09:18 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-27-2018, 10:31 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 10:40 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-27-2018, 10:51 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 11:25 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-27-2018, 11:43 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 12:18 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Kane - 07-27-2018, 02:43 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-27-2018, 03:31 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 03:58 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-27-2018, 07:04 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-27-2018, 04:41 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Kane - 07-26-2018, 03:51 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-26-2018, 04:10 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 05:01 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-26-2018, 11:02 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 11:47 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Kane - 07-26-2018, 03:35 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-26-2018, 11:40 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by jj82284 - 07-26-2018, 11:49 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 12:10 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-26-2018, 11:55 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 12:15 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 12:18 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-26-2018, 12:28 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 12:37 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-26-2018, 01:01 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 01:57 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-26-2018, 12:29 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 12:34 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-26-2018, 12:27 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-26-2018, 12:30 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-26-2018, 02:01 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 02:47 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-26-2018, 03:35 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by Byron LeftTown - 07-26-2018, 02:14 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-26-2018, 02:23 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 02:43 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-26-2018, 02:43 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-26-2018, 03:04 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-26-2018, 05:04 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-26-2018, 05:50 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 07-26-2018, 05:12 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by pirkster - 07-26-2018, 06:32 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 08:31 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-27-2018, 08:58 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by B2hibry - 07-27-2018, 07:24 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 07:25 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-27-2018, 08:04 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 09:21 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 07-27-2018, 11:27 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-27-2018, 09:26 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 07-27-2018, 10:26 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 07-28-2018, 08:24 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-06-2018, 04:51 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by StroudCrowd1 - 08-06-2018, 06:52 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-07-2018, 10:28 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 10:51 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-07-2018, 11:18 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by StroudCrowd1 - 08-07-2018, 11:20 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-07-2018, 11:24 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 11:30 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 11:25 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-07-2018, 11:30 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 08-07-2018, 12:01 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-07-2018, 12:06 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 03:39 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by StroudCrowd1 - 08-07-2018, 03:58 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 04:14 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 08-07-2018, 05:31 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 06:31 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 08-07-2018, 07:47 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 08:15 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by MalabarJag - 08-07-2018, 09:05 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 10:35 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 08-07-2018, 10:43 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 08-08-2018, 11:57 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by jj82284 - 08-08-2018, 12:34 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by jj82284 - 08-07-2018, 05:44 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by mikesez - 08-07-2018, 07:51 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by jj82284 - 08-08-2018, 10:44 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-07-2018, 01:32 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by JagNGeorgia - 08-07-2018, 05:31 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-08-2018, 12:47 PM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by flsprtsgod - 08-09-2018, 07:44 AM
RE: So much HATE under Trump - by homebiscuit - 08-23-2018, 12:21 PM



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