(07-26-2018, 10:50 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(07-26-2018, 10:16 AM)Kane Wrote:

So many points to touch on but I don't want a million page response with all the quotes so I'll just put this here.

Racist is the new tag word. FBT outlined it perfectly and I'm growing real tired of this BS being pushed.
By definition: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

The key here is the belief that one's own race is superior. 
Racism is based on the idea that one race is superior to the other.

Like illegal immigration. "White people hate Hispanics" -- quite the contrary. Many of us just want our border laws enforced. We have laws in place we as citizens must follow, why should it be different for them? I know and care about a lot of illegal "migrant workers" as we call them. A good friend of mine Jose from Honduras crossed the border illegally. I don't hate him, or his family. But disagree with how they got here and wouldn't bat an eye if they were deported because, well that's the law.

Another instance is "police brutality against blacks" and while there are certain cases that need to be addressed, like what has happened previously in Baltimore, Minnesota, and other places... These cases are few and far between and shouldn't really be causing the uproars, the protests, the violence. But "Black Lives Matter" is a nice talking point. And if you don't agree with their stance, it's easy to be labeled racist. Why? Because of the words they choose... "Oh black lives don't matter to you?"
Minorities, and specifically blacks are used by left as tools to push an agenda and to create an environment much like the one we have today.

These examples go on and on really. And it really boils down to the elite V us. And when we all fight each other, they all win.

I think your definition of racism is way too narrow.  Belief that one's own race is superior is common among racists, but not all racists feel that way. Some racists believe that races are basically equal, but so different that they should be separated.  Other racists believe their own race is inferior.  
From 1890 to 1957 the motto was separate but equal.  To defend that system in court,  the elected officials argued up and down that it wasn't about superiority or inferiority, just separation.  Your definition of racism would have given that generation a pass.  
I think you are telling the truth that you harbor no ill will to your neighbor from Honduras.
But you should ask him if he feels like some Americans treat him as an inferior due to his race.  It might not be you, but it's out there, and he most likely has sensed it.
Racism has at least two definitions.  

There is personal racism, in our own personal behavior about how we assess each other's character and capabilities. For instance, if you were attending an orchestra concert, and a black man stepped up to the piano, you might think for a moment - well I know black people can play popular music, but classical? Until you actually heard him play, you might doubt his ability in a way that you might not doubt an Asian's.  Conversely, if you were at a rock or jazz concert, and an Asian stepped up to the piano, you might feel the same question.  These are racist instincts, based on stereotypes we have seen. The piano example is mostly harmless because any of us would give the person a chance to play and confirm or break the stereotype.  So here's another.  You walk outside of a large office building downtown and people are yelling at each other.  You are not sure why.  A crowd is forming. No uniformed cops around, yet. A man catches your eye, lifts his shirt just enough for you to see he has a pistol, and winks at you. If the man is the same race as you, you probably think, "oh, he's saying he has my back." If the man is a different race, you probably think you just got threatened and you start thinking "fight or flight.". Every single person has racist reactions like this, just like every person has jealousy or adulterous thoughts.

Then there is institutional racism, which is much more complicated, and has been building up for years and years and will take generations to undo. For instance, my wife and I had our parents pay for our first cars and our college tuition.  We stand to get good inheritances from our parents and grandparents.  We get these advantages mostly because they had great home equity over the years. But back when our grandparents bought that starter home, they got loans which never would have been extended to a black person back then, before the Fair Housing Act was passed. Our grandparents still worked hard to pay their mortgages.  My wife and I worked hard to graduate college debt free.  But those respective, cascading advantages typically were not available to black people no matter how hard they worked.

That isn't MY definition. That is THE definition of racism. From Webster or whoever yo...
The same people that changed the definition of the 'n' word from "an ignorant person" to something to the effect of "a racist term towards black people"

Also... yeah I'm sure a lot of illegal immigrants feel they are mistreated by Americans. And much of that probably stems from racism. But not all nationalists are racists either. As our nation is one built on many many races (and mixtures of races).
Studies have shown that America is far less racist than many middle east and Asian countries.
The media spins and magnifies ugliness. That's all there is to it. For every racist in America there are 10 people that aren't. Maybe even more.


Also... you are totally confusing prejudice (making a judgement before knowing all facts or options) with racism.
Racism can derive from prejudice or just a simple feeling of hate.
Prejudice is usually derived from a general ignorance (whether natural or socially taught) "white people can't dance/don't have rhythm" This term is often used by a lot of people. White people, black people, everyone. It's funny because it's mostly true from what we have seen in life. But to say it as an absolute is ignorant because somewhere there is a white person dancing their butt off to the rhythm.

This is not a racist remark. It's a silly prejudice that many people have.

Here's another one "Asians are smart". Is that racist?
Not all Asians are smart. A simple prejudice.

Racism is I am better than you by birth because of (essentially) skin color.
Racism is you are dumb because of your race.
Racism is you don't deserve what I have because of your race.
Racism is you deserve to be treated differently because of your race.

Racism is NOT "I don't want you to illegally enter our country"
Racism is "I don't want no dirty Mexicans coming into our country and dirtying the place up"
Racism is NOT "I don't want terrorists in my country, please vet immigrants more"
Racism is "I don't want no 'towel heads' in my country" (please excuse the term as it is for example only)

But it is so much easier for ignorant minorities (and elitist lefties) to throw that term at every white person that doesn't agree with their views. 
There aren't different types of racism. You're either racist or not.

I'll admit I'm a very prejudice person. Anyone who denies their own prejudices is being silly and untruthful to themselves and others.
Everyone has em... and it is a daily choice to ignore or act on these prejudices.
Prejudices extend beyond race as well. To religion and gender and everything.
I may be a misogynist, but I don't hate women.
I may believe in religion my own way, or have my personal views, but it doesn't make me an Islamiphobe or whatever.

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(07-26-2018, 10:59 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(07-26-2018, 10:18 AM)Kane Wrote: You are saying that any sort of immigration policy is discrimination... and that isn't so.

Of course it's discrimination.  You have a US passport? Go to the left.  European passport? Go to the middle.  Other passport? Go over to the really long line at the end of the hall.  Just because we are sorting people into categories based on an arbitrary characteristic like where they were born or what paper they hold doesn't mean we are wrong to do so.  Discrimination is the basis of law.  We don't allow restaurants to discriminate based on national origin, but we do it every day in every airport.  It's not wrong but let's call a spade a spade.

Wow... I guess law and order is discrimination now?
US passport go to the left, cuz ya know... you live here... probably don't need to be vetted. European, less vetting, but if you came from another country through Europe, we'll need to check.
"other" passport, as in terrorist and 3rd world countries, go to where we can make sure you aren't trying to kill everyone on the plane you are boarding....

Yeah... discriminating against allowing evil and vile people into our country.
But it isn't by race, religion, sex, or creed. It's by nationality as it relates to terrorism, and lax security issues.
You don't like being safe? move to the middle east my man lol

Also...
"call a spade a spade" is racist.

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