(08-29-2018, 09:49 AM)jj82284 Wrote:

(08-29-2018, 09:07 AM)mikesez Wrote: Obama was no kind of socialist.  He was for a bigger welfare state, not socialism.  Those are two very different things.  

The carbon tax was not discussed by anyone in power while Obama was President. A carbon tax would not be a bad idea so long as it was paired with cuts to other taxes.

Obama wanted a cap and trade system (which was a very bad idea) but his own party balked.  That was before Republicans regained Congress.  So you could give negative points to Obama for proposing it but you'd also have to give positive points to the moderate Democrats who blocked it.

A.) You didn't do ur homework on German state theory or the economics of fascism.  I'll let it slide this time, but u better be prepared next class young man.  

B.) The Democratic house passed cap and trade (a concept I use interchangeably with that of a carbon tax.)  And yes, there used to be at least some sane people in the Democratic party. Its not a plus for the president that the adults in his own party had to block a campaign promise.  

C.) Still no one taking up the realitities of his economic philodophy and it's role in the housing collapse.  Sad sad sad.

A) The National Socialist Party of Germany had the government dictating the choices made in key industries -both on the management side and the labor unions side - but the original owners of the factories were typically allowed to make and keep profits, so long as they were not Jewish, of course. You could argue that, to the extent that regulations are overbearing, our government today is dictating choices in industry. But one of our two parties wants to limit the choices available to management, while the other is trying to limit the choices available to labor unions.

B) Cap and trade is totally different from a carbon tax.  Read up on it.  Seriously.  I don't want to say you're an idiot, but to me, what you said is somewhere between saying health care and health insurance are the same thing, and saying dogs and children are the same thing

C) I honestly don't know what role a state senator in Illinois may have played in allowing banks all over the country to get over leveraged with risky loans that were labeled as "not risky."

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