(10-30-2018, 03:43 PM)TJBender Wrote:

(10-30-2018, 03:36 PM)B2hibry Wrote: It would seem simple to you. If it was cut and dry this would be a nonissue. But playing your game...I would go with all non-citizens and illegal immigrants are not subject to jurisdiction, therefore will be deported immediately by a federal force protecting sovereignty. You want to come here, use the various methods to announce intent through the Embassy or Consulate.

I'd agree with you. But if we're going to hold that anyone in the US is subject to its laws, and the Constitution is the "Supreme Law of the Land", then children born in the US are also subject to the Constitution, which makes them citizens at birth.

Agree to a point and that is what is not black and white. There hasn't been anything substantial since the 1800's that points to whether a child born here is automatically a citizen without certain conditions. I think there is a benefit in pushing back against the crowd that says "we've always done it this way" to actually define and put pen to paper so we can move forward. The federal government is notorious for grey areas to benefit themselves specifically and to hamper the people. Get it black and white so there is a fighting chance for the people. I don't agree with Trumps Executive Order plan per say but I do like that it will create conversation and perhaps needed action. He does have a habit of aiming to the extreme, only to come back to the middle to get actionable movement on a topic. Sometimes it is just hard to get past the fact that he comes off as an [BLEEP]!

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