(11-19-2018, 08:43 PM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(11-19-2018, 12:30 PM)mikesez Wrote: (1) The vast majority keep their court dates.  (2) They don't get money from the government unless they present enough evidence to the judges that they really are refugees.  (3) Less than 40,000 people per year are granted this status.  It's a drop in the bucket.  It's not a significant amount of money in the end.  It's such a small number for the reasons you cite: many of them realize that they'll fit in better and have more success in places like Mexico.

(4) I'm not actually a leftist, so if you want to blame Obama or Clinton for requiring families to be separated while these legal procedures go through, I'm not going to argue with you.  (5) Even if you're right about that, though, I still blame Trump for continuing it.  Tu quoque is a fallacy.

(1) Wrong!

(2) First off, you cited Reagan and Bush. They were not talking about just those seeking asylum. So you changed the focus of the discussion (congratulations, that now makes you an official TDS sufferer). Those coming here illegally do get money from the government (meaning the fruits of labor of American citizens taken by force). Just because the government isn't supposed to give them money doesn't mean they don't get it. Presumably so do the subset of "asylum seekers,' and whether or not they get it does not change the fact that that was why they came.

(3) Once again, your original video was not just about 'asylum seekers.' If there was no illegal entry and it was limited to 40,000 per year I'd guess that no one on this board would consider it a big deal. But that's not  what this is about, it's about hundreds of thousands of people illegally entering the US each year. In Reagan's day most came for jobs. Now, most come to partake in taxpayer dollars.

(4) You have defended Obama several times on this board. You continually cite lies that come from Leftist websites and memes, so I call [BLEEP] on your claim that you aren't a Leftist.

(5) The president doesn't micromanage the government. That was a program under the Justice Department continued by inertia (a good reason that the swamp needs to be drained), so if you blame anyone it should be Jeff Sessions. Trump spoke against it when it was revealed by the press (using photos of children in cages from the Obama era). Funny how that the press never criticized the program when Obama was POTUS. That there is irrefutable evidence that the mainstream press is totally Left-wing biased, yet you still cite Politifact and other Left wing publications as if they were unbiased.

You may want to read that Marshall project article you linked to again.  It says that, historically, 75% of these people show up for their court dates. The number has unfortunately been lower, lately, for cases that involve whole families, however these cases are small fraction of the total.

And if you could provide some Citation with evidence for your claim that in the seventies and eighties they just came for jobs, while now they are coming for some sort of hand out that didn't exist in the 80s, that'd be great.

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