(12-29-2018, 09:37 PM)copycat Wrote:

(12-29-2018, 11:08 AM)rollerjag Wrote: Am I reading a different thread? In post 3 mike stated an  opinion about how he thinks wars should be resolved, not how they have been resolved historically. In post 7, he did not say all wars end in treaties, he asked how it worked out when they didn't. In post 9, Kane showed us that all officially declared wars ended in treaties, and there were numerous armed conflicts, most of which did not end in treaties or even agreed upon terms. And the aftermath of many of those wasn't good, for us or the people from whom we withdrew support.

I will give mike this, he can get y'all derailed faster than a Trump tweet.

Back on topic, do we as a nation owe protection to allies when we withdraw from a conflict?

Post 3 Mike stated "military involved in a conflict".  Not a declaration of war.

Post 7 Mike changed the parameters to an implied declaration of war.

Post 9 Kane provided information on all conflicts.

Post 13 Mike changed the parameters .

Post 14 I asked if Mike ever admitted to being incorrect.  Perhaps I could have been more specific and inquired why does he change the conversation every time he is proven misguided instead of just saying "I stand corrected"

To your point of Mike, yes he is adept at derailing a conversation.

As for your question, I think it goes deeper than that.  IMO we get involved in too much that is not our concern.  We need to get our own house in order before we look outside.  If we as a nation get involved we need to get involved 100% with a mind set to win and break the will of the opposition at all cost.  No restrictions, no congressional intervention.  Put the military masterminds in charge and get out of the way.  When the outcome is decided terms can be discussed.  We use our military far too often and we handcuff them from doing what they are trained to do.

I didn't mean to imply that the conversation should be limited to wars that were declared by the US Congress.  Sorry. I thought it was clear in the context, since Congress hasn't declared war since 1941 and no one had brought up any event from that far back.

I'm talking about treaties. We settled Vietnam, both Iraq wars, wars in the Balkans, and many others with treaties even though Congress did not declare war in any of those cases.

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