(01-14-2019, 08:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(01-14-2019, 07:40 PM)JackCity Wrote: How do you determine if any coach or player is good or bad?

The process of identifying a good position coach from the fan's perspective is VERY indirect and undefined. 

Identifying talented players is much simpler. 

The best you can really do as a fan analyzing a position coach is to look for prospects that entered their position groups who weren't surefire, can't-miss early picks  --  and then see if that coach developed some of those guys into long term starters or at least got good seasons out of them. 

So much of the easy conclusions folks tend to draw are predicated upon good players playing well. 
Deciding how much of a good performance was due to the players innate talent and how much was due to the position coach is one heckuva guessing game.

It absolutely is,  I said as much a few comments above. I have almost nothing to judge our new DB coach and thus have no real take on him. He could be good , could be bad, who knows.  

But the reality is you can still examine track record to evaluate if you like what they've done so far. When Perry Fewell was hired here people were happy because he had a track record of having DB units that aggressively hunted turnovers, that was something that was discussed.  If Tom Cable was hired this year we'd all go to his track record and say he did an awful job in Seattle and with the Raiders too and we'd have question marks about what he can do here. When Pat Flaherty was hired we looked at his track record and discussed how good of a fit he'd be here based on that.    

Oline coach has become the most important assistant coach in the NFL. Its not really an area you can afford to have bad performance and prosper. Bucs fans are all delighted Warhop is gone because he did such a bad job for them , bar bringing Ali Marpet along and one productive year.

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