(01-24-2019, 09:51 AM)B2hibry Wrote:

(01-24-2019, 12:48 AM)TJBender Wrote: Trump refuses to come off of his demand for a physical wall. Pelosi won't support that. Seems to me there isn't much "negotiation in good faith" to do until someone inevitably blinks.

Appropriations going to the floor is the sort of ridiculous complaint I'd expect from a lefty nutjob trying to impeach Trump. No one is going to remove Nancy Pelosi, and if you think you'd get someone less liberal to fill her seat, you're nuts. In fact, you'd get Steny Hoyer as Speaker, which would be even more fun for those of us who want to see the children stop throwing sand at each other and end the damn shutdown. And not being present on the floor...have you seen Marco Rubio's record?

What you're putting out here are partisan whines, not legitimate reasons to remove a Speaker from office. I'm no fan of Pelosi, but if you think that some kind of campaign to remove her--even if it did work--would get you someone willing to play ball with Trump, you must not have met the group of people that would be in line to replace her.

Actually, he has. Do you not pay attention? Right now he has given into Dem wants no less than three times, has attempted several negotiation sessions, and now just agreed to postpone the STOU. This has gone beyond partisan to stubborn ignorance. 

I watched the House Committee meeting yesterday and all from both sides expressed on record that this is rediculous that they can’t get the House in general to negotiate in good faith. On record, they stated if it was solely up to them this shutdown would have never occurred. On record, they unanimously agree that “wall” funding is necessary to complete what was started several years ago and subsequently funded each administration. Why not this one? One answer...Pelosi.

If you see this as partisan whining, you are absolutely clueless and part of the bigger issue. Also, if you believe that her colleagues aren’t starting to break ranks, you should watch some of these hearings and turn off CNN. This latest move by the POTUS only puts more pressure on Pelosi and in my opinion puts complete ownership of this continued shutdown in her hands.

As far as who would fill her seat, I don’t care at this point as long as they show up and do their job! They need to put away the clowns and quit treating the House of Representatives like a damn circus! 

Rubio? What does he have to do with Pelosi and her circus? 

Look, do I think the House could get a 2/3rd vote to expell her, no. But introducing the resolution could stir the hornets nest, especially if on of her own introduced it. Bottom line is that she now owns this and she must make the next move to try and end this. Her ignoring it doesn’t make it go away.

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(01-24-2019, 09:41 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: If they get new jobs, at least they'll get paid. They won't have to work for free. What kind of crap is that?

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This take simply makes no sense at all. I have no loyalty to either party, as I'm a registered Independent who hates Trump and Pelosi. This blame lays squarely on the President though. The man even stated multiple times, that he would "own" this shutdown and that he would "shutdown the government if he didn't get funding for the wall." How can you blame this on anyone other than him? I swear, he could tell some of you followers that the sky was purple and the grass was plaid and you'd believe him.

Please explain your blame theory because at this juncture it makes zero sense regardless of what words came out of either parties mouths. It’s actions that matter and that is where you may find the clue you need.