(01-24-2019, 07:06 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:

(01-24-2019, 09:51 AM)B2hibry Wrote:

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Please explain your blame theory because at this juncture it makes zero sense regardless of what words came out of either parties mouths. It’s actions that matter and that is where you may find the clue you need.

Yes. It does. The shutdown is happening, because Trump made an impossible campaign promise and his "sheep" bought into it. Now that the time has come to try and save face, by building his beloved wall, he needs to find the money to pay for it and guess what? Mexico isn't handing us a giant check. We had a budget that was agreed upon, but since it didn't fund Trump's wall, he wouldn't sign it and now we have a shutdown. A shutdown that he said he would "own". There was a direct cause and effect that started with Trump's words and resulted in him shutting down the government. That's not a blame theory. That is fact. Trump is on tape saying if he didn't get money to fund the wall, he was going to shut down the government. That is not a theory, that is a fact. What are you missing?

Really should research before posting.

#1- Shutdown is happening because of partisan idiocy perpetuated by Pelosi.
#2- Wall funding has nothing to do with campaign promise. A wall has been in place for some time and requires updates and aditional sections for some areas of the nine sectors. It has received funding in every FY since inception. DHS just completed a few segment last month with money that both Pelosi and Schumer voted for, along with nearly every other Dem. All of this is public record and viewable online. 
#3- There was a budget agreed upon by both Chambers prior to shutdown that included wall funding. Pelosi delayed via amendment until after she was formalized as Speaker. Now it sits in limbo or what is called Differences. Mind you, she and Schumer previously offered over $20B. Once again, matter of public record and viewable online.
#4- Trump said he would “own the shutdown” not that he was “going to shutdown the government”. Mind you, Congress is responsible for legislation and funding. POTUS signs when mutual, recorded text is presented. Hasn’t happened. Bill can also become law without POTUS signature. Blaming Trump is the ignorant easy way out.

FACT

So what am I missing?

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(01-24-2019, 10:12 PM)TJBender Wrote:

(01-24-2019, 06:46 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: Specifically answering regarding the parts in bold.  The Oath of Office includes the following.

Read the preamble to The Constitution.  You know... the parts where it talks about providing for the common defense and insuring domestic tranquility.  The congress and more specifically the House of Representatives is supposed to create the budget each year.  A large part of the budget should be about providing for the common defense, ie. border security.

Pelosi along with several other democrats is ignoring her oath of office simply because of her hatred for President Trump.  Nothing more, nothing less.  President Trump is actually the one that is upholding his oath by advocating and demanding funding to secure our southern border.

The House created a budget. It included funding for homeland security. They had it on the President's desk on January 3rd.

Please explain how The House of Representatives placed a bill on the President’s desk for signature?

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