(01-24-2019, 10:40 PM)B2hibry Wrote:

(01-24-2019, 07:06 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Yes. It does. The shutdown is happening, because Trump made an impossible campaign promise and his "sheep" bought into it. Now that the time has come to try and save face, by building his beloved wall, he needs to find the money to pay for it and guess what? Mexico isn't handing us a giant check. We had a budget that was agreed upon, but since it didn't fund Trump's wall, he wouldn't sign it and now we have a shutdown. A shutdown that he said he would "own". There was a direct cause and effect that started with Trump's words and resulted in him shutting down the government. That's not a blame theory. That is fact. Trump is on tape saying if he didn't get money to fund the wall, he was going to shut down the government. That is not a theory, that is a fact. What are you missing?

Really should research before posting.

#1- Shutdown is happening because of partisan idiocy perpetuated by Pelosi.
#2- Wall funding has nothing to do with campaign promise. A wall has been in place for some time and requires updates and aditional sections for some areas of the nine sectors. It has received funding in every FY since inception. DHS just completed a few segment last month with money that both Pelosi and Schumer voted for, along with nearly every other Dem. All of this is public record and viewable online. 
#3- There was a budget agreed upon by both Chambers prior to shutdown that included wall funding. Pelosi delayed via amendment until after she was formalized as Speaker. Now it sits in limbo or what is called Differences. Mind you, she and Schumer previously offered over $20B. Once again, matter of public record and viewable online.
#4- Trump said he would “own the shutdown” not that he was “going to shutdown the government”. Mind you, Congress is responsible for legislation and funding. POTUS signs when mutual, recorded text is presented. Hasn’t happened. Bill can also become law without POTUS signature. Blaming Trump is the ignorant easy way out.

FACT

So what am I missing?

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#1 Is just simply untrue. It is the opinion of someone who is completely biased. 
#2 Adding to an existing structure, is building a new wall. If there was nothing there and he wants to put something there, it's new. 
#3 Pelosi and Schumer aren't the ones demanding miles and miles of additional structure to be added to the existing structure. They were willing to give additional funds for border security, but it wasn't exactly what Trump wanted, so he said he was going to shutdown the government and he did. Please don't make me defend Pelosi or Schumer ever again. It leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. I can't stand them, but in this case, they are correct. 
#4 Now we're getting into semantics. Owning the shutdown and shutting down the government are the same things. He was taking responsibility for the shutdown and he was proud of it. Here is the actual video. Check out 7:06 into the conversation and then again at 9:48. It's very clear. 

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