(01-27-2019, 03:45 PM)TJBender Wrote:

(01-27-2019, 09:52 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: I watched Trump from the border actually talking to border agents about if a wall will work. Every one of them said yes.

I always compare the "ladder on the border wall" left argument to a person dying in an auto accident while wearing a seatbelt then people saying seat belts don't work..

Qz.com.......lol, wow.

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TJH, respond with a yes or no to this question. Nothing else.

If walls don't work, should we remove all existing barrier fence at the southern border?

No. Walls do work in urban areas where someone is literally a 20-foot walk across the street from being a shadow. Ever been to Otay Mesa, CA? It's right on the border at the southern end of San Diego, and it's a massive warehouse and industrial center. If someone gets across there, they're gone. That's why the wall is so heavily fortified there, and in that situation it's absolutely doing what it needs to do to be a good investment. That's why every metropolitan area along the border has some form of physical barrier, and I'm in favor of using federal dollars to upgrade what's already in place.

What doesn't make sense is putting a wall up in the desert, where someone is a 10-mile hike from the nearest main road, when FLIR cameras, drones with thermal imaging and a heavier Border Patrol presence with better equipment for the terrain (including horses, I am dead serious about horses--cowboys used them for a reason) would be every bit as effective. Probably more so if the funds going to that wall would otherwise go towards those things.

I think this is the good point where walls are needed they have been built i.e. urban areas.  This isn't what is being debated, this is about putting walls up in sparsely populated private land for the most part.  Trump started off saying he wanted a 30 ft concrete wall from sea to shining sea, now its 250 miles of steel slats he'll eventually be down to tens of miles of fencing and sell it as a promised fulfilled.  Be prepared for a National Emergency declaration, I highly doubt there will be another shutdown but hey if they want shoot themselves in the foot again have at it, the wall issue will be tied up in the court for years and nothing will get built.  This lays bare how cynical and political this was for Trump, if he came in on day 1 and put forth maximum effort he mostly likely could have broke the filibuster in the Senate by pressuring vulnerable candidates up for reelection in 2018 and built the wall.  The fact that he waited until another election and the house changed hands shows he is easily distracted and a terrible planner/strategist and/or never cared about the wall.

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