(01-29-2019, 01:36 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: (01-29-2019, 01:20 PM)jradMITEX Wrote: If there is such an emergency and such precedent, then what is the hold up? Why wait if this is so straightforward, common, and pressing? Every minute of delay just bolsters the argument that there isn't an emergency, if it is so easy why shut down the government for 35+ days? if what you assert is true then the presidents actions are baffling and illogical. This board is not a complete reflection of society or the opinion of the country which after numerous polls has shown consistently that a majority of the country are against the wall, pick a time, a year ago, before the shutdown and after, still a majority oppose the wall. You can blame a lack of an immigration deal on all parties involved, I guess even though republicans have repeatedly been the ones to tank the big bipartisan immigration bills out of appeasement to the base, however, this shutdown was 100% on Trump. He could have easily of signed the CR in December and continued to make his public push. He thought the shutdown gave him leverage for some idiotic reason when in fact it has weakened him politically. Negotiating during a shutdown would have just invited more down the road. This is 100% about a wall ok maybe just 99%, if he would have dropped the wall pre condition he could easily have gotten the money for other border security measures and investments. Its quite incredulous to suggest that the wall isn't the crux of the matter, it was heavily sold on the campaign, he repeatedly suggested that without it we will be overrun by drugs and crime. Build the wall and crime will fall right?
BTW Pelosi didn't prevent him completely from giving the SOTU, just during the shutdown, and low and behold its back on. She'll go down in history all right, as the first Speaker to win a shutdown and the one who made Trump cave after the longest shutdown in history.
Again, you continue to look at this from a win/loss standpoint. The president has a responsibility to 325M people and Pelosi has a responsibility to 0 people. He has said a million times that he does not want to use his constitutional powers to build the wall and that he simply wants congress to DO THEIR JOB. Congress is not doing their job. That is the main issue here, but please continue to look at them as "winning".
Trump lost let that sink in, he repeatedly asserted that he wouldn't open the government without the 5.7B for his border wall, he said he would go on for months or even years, in the end he caved and walked away politically weakened. That's what a loss is politically. Its your opinion that congress isn't doing their job, I would argue they are being that the wall is opposed by a majority of people in the country. Separation of powers, congress holds the purse strings, its their prerogative to pass bills as they see fit, as they see is best for the country. Pelosi answers to the same 325M people. Its funny in the Trumpian mindset, people are only doing their jobs when they are doing the will of Trump, majority of the public be damned. Its rich coming from a guy whose avatar is Trump with a crown on, that aptly describes the mindset. You honestly think that if Trump thought he could build the wall without Congress it wouldn't have already been done? You think he cares about the institutions of the country and presidential overreach? The only reason he hasn't declared an emergency is because he knows that it will get shot down 5 ways before it gets off the ground. He knows that an emergency declaration won't get the wall built, the wall is not gonna get built unless he comes off citizenship for DACA/TPS which we know isn't gonna happen.
He's gonna lose on the wall, he lost on Obamacare repeal what happened to all that winning he promised? Must have been like Mexico paying for the wall.
