(01-28-2019, 01:37 PM)Adam2012 Wrote:

(01-28-2019, 09:55 AM)TJBender Wrote: Coming off the longest shutdown in government history, ultimately sort of resolved for now by Trump doing something he could have done weeks ago and with Trump threatening to take an unpopular move by declaring a hokey-pokey "national emergency" to fulfill a campaign promise?

Yeah, they're pissed. He's going to need more than 3% GDP to win re-election.

Pretty sure the Demo nominee will move more to the center once nominated. That's what usually happens.

What the Democrats have going for them is - Donald Trump. Trump won't have Hillary to run against. This time he'll be Hillary.

What's Trump going to run on? A tax cut no one seems to have benefited from (unless you're a CEO)? The economy might not look so rosy in 2020. Someone somewhere might actually care about the debt/deficit. Not the Trumpettes, but someone. What else will Donald be able to crow about? His agenda is going/has gone no where, and with a Democratically controlled House it's ain't going anywhere. And the Mueller Report will have been issued by then, I would think. You think that's going to make Donald look good. He'll look sleazy and/or stupid. Yeah, he really hires the best people.

The question will be - since Donald isn't even trying to widen his base - are there enough middle-age, middle-class, white men and those who watch Fox and are afraid of the Coming of Socialism and Immigrant Invasion to overcome everyone else? How many of the everyone else will vote?

(01-29-2019, 10:04 AM)Adam2012 Wrote:

(01-29-2019, 06:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: A moderate Democrat (without the incredible baggage Hillary Clinton carries around) could win the general election in a landslide.   But the Dems don't look like they are going in that direction.   They are lurching to the left and that will insure Trump's reelection.

Wait a minute. So many posters stated in the summer of 2016 that Hillary was just a clone of Obama, and Obama was a Kenyan-born Communist - and she won the popular vote.

Donald is the new Hillary. She had a base as well. Many, many people think Donald is a clown. And how are we so sure the Democratic nominee will be seen as some great Socialist demon. Sure, Fox will play that angle but don't be so sure the voting public isn't looking for some new policies. Many though they'd get that from Donald, but he's proven to be in way over his head. I think many voters will be seeking someone who can actually get something done.

The mid-terms is probably a good guide.

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(01-29-2019, 12:10 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: I have never paid much attention to Harris, but I have to say I am a little surprise just how extremely radical her ideas are.

hehe - you need to talk to people other than other white, middle-aged males.

(01-29-2019, 01:58 PM)Adam2012 Wrote:

(01-29-2019, 10:09 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Since when have mid-terms EVER been a good guide to a presidential election?

It shows you which way the wind is blowing. 

I understand why you're worried. The only "success" you bring up is the tax cut. You and the evangelicals can be bought but I wouldn't count on the entire voting public to be so mercenary. Think the mid-west farmers are thrilled with Donald right now? Will Donald get any under-65 non-evangelical women to vote for him?

And with another government shut-down and the Mueller Report to drive his poll numbers even lower I would not be surprised to see Donald bail in 2020. Those fairways are calling for him.