(01-31-2019, 12:35 PM)B2hibry Wrote:

(01-31-2019, 11:49 AM)mikesez Wrote: What would that teach me?
The VA system has trouble hiring people because we have a shortage of doctors in general.
They also try to only treat stuff that was service-related.  A lot of the frustrations come from that; a doc shouldn't care "why" you got hurt, he should just want to help you heal.
Sometimes wait times were long.  Some people fraudulently altered their tracking of wait times.
None of this means they are doing a worse job than private providers.
Private providers won't see some of these people, and they don't have the same goals.

Literally, every single line you wrote here is wrong. You want to see what kind of cluster socialized medicine in America would look like, the VA is the poster child!

- Doctors don't hire on to the VA because of bureaucracy and image issues.
- The VA treats veterans with or without service related injury or illnesses.
- The VA is not only preventative care but also treatment. They care about the why, how, and fix action. Unfortunately, each of those has another bureaucratic level and specialist.
- Wait times are ALLWAYS long! One rare exception is if you happy to be lucky enough to live in a relatively low populated region. Wait times have gotten so bad that they implemented a program called CHOICE to allow members to seek out private providers.
- The VA is and has been doing a worse job than private providers. There have been numerous upper level firings and reorgs over the last few years. Still not working.
- Private providers will see "these" people. See the CHOICE program. In fact, most members will do everything possible to go to a private provider over the VA. I have friends that would rather pay out of pocket than go to the VA. And why wouldn't a treatment team whether VA or private have the same prevention and treatment goals?