(05-04-2019, 09:26 PM)copycat Wrote:

(05-04-2019, 08:31 PM)mikesez Wrote: and there's a difference between supporting an ally and funding a civil war to overthrow a democratically elected government just so American corporations can preserve their access to banana plantations and copper mines.

Let's just cut to the end of the chase.  Can anyone tell me at what point and time in history has socialism ever helped the common man in the long term?

Depends what you mean by socialism.
Our social security program has been helping the common American man since the early 1940s.
Scandinavia has had free school lunch and free school breakfast for everyone since the 1880s.
But those are welfare programs.

Socialism specifically means that government takes over the means of production.  That's usually bad.  But if all of your means of production - say, copper mines or oil fields - are owned by foreign corporations that don't employ locals and don't care about the country, well, socialism becomes very tempting, to say the least.

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