(05-04-2019, 09:26 PM)copycat Wrote: Let's just cut to the end of the chase.  Can anyone tell me at what point and time in history has socialism ever helped the common man in the long term?

Good luck finding that. The inherent flaw in socialism is that it relies on humans to put the good of society ahead of our natural, built-in, instinctive desire to look out for number one. That's something that goes back to the days when early mammals were being naturally selected by a T-Rex as Darwin Award winners. A form of government founded on the idea that humans will put others ahead of themselves is only going to work until someone in power sees the benefits of their role. Which will happen, you know, the day the government starts.

(05-04-2019, 10:24 PM)JackCity Wrote: I don't like Copmala but she'll obliterate most of the candidates in the debates

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if she wins the nomination. Wouldn't be my first choice by any stretch of the imagination, but they could certainly do much worse. At least no one's trying to amend the Constitution to get AOC into the right.

...no one's tried to do that yet, right? I mean, if I were Mitch O'Connell and that amendment came across my desk, I'd be all, "Yes, we as a country must pass this now so AOC can run and set her party back by 40 years to the days of Carter."

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