(07-11-2019, 04:43 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(07-11-2019, 03:53 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Here's some more information for you. It's a little bit more extensive than your Elementary School education. I know it's hard for some of you to actually pick-up a book or find other sources of reading material once you've received your High School Diploma or GED in life but there's a lot more information to be learned and obtained post basic education in this Country. 



When he arrived, he was surprised to find rampant unemployment and poverty among the British working classes… Franklin was then asked how the American colonies managed to collect enough money to support their poor houses. He reportedly replied:

“We have no poor houses in the Colonies; and if we had some, there would be nobody to put in them, since there is, in the Colonies, not a single unemployed person, neither beggars nor tramps.”
In 1764, the Bank of England used its influence on Parliament to get a Currency Act passed that made it illegal for any of the colonies to print their own money. The colonists were forced to pay all future taxes to Britain in silver or gold. Anyone lacking in those precious metals had to borrow them at interest from the banks.
Only a year later, Franklin said, the streets of the colonies were filled with unemployed beggars, just as they were in England. The money supply had suddenly been reduced by half, leaving insufficient funds to pay for the goods and services these workers could have provided. He maintained that it was “the poverty caused by the bad influence of the English bankers on the Parliament which has caused in the colonies hatred of the English and . . . the Revolutionary War.” This, he said, was the real reason for the Revolution: “the colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction.”


[font=Georgia,]Franklin also reportedly said:
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Alexander Hamilton echoed similar sentiments:


As historian Alexander Del Mar wrote in 1895:


And British historian John Twells said the same thing:


In fact, the Americans ignored the British ban on American currency, and:

[font=Georgia,]Indeed, the first act of the New Continental Congress[/font]

OK.
Yes, there were monetary causes of the war.
There were many causes.
But the colonists did not demand zero taxation.
They did not argue that taxation was theft.
They demanded representation.
Which currencies would be acceptable for paying taxes was also in dispute. The colonists wanted their paper money to always be acceptable.
The British wanted taxes paid in gold and silver.
Then the British went further, saying the colonies could no longer even print their own money.

I agree that this last insult may have hurt the most.

But none of this proves any point about if taxation is theft.

What it does prove is that the colonists preferred fiat currency.  Too many right wingers today forget this.

Taxation isn't theft.
Money is created by governments.  Money can be made sound by gold, but social consensus within an economy that produces things that other countries want to buy is better than gold at this task.

Basic principles. Forget them, and you won't be able to make sense of the world.

Today's money is not created by the Government. Today's money is created by the Federal Reserve which is then loaned out to the Government with interest due back in time. It's a never ending cycle that we've all had to pay for since it was developed in this Country. 

Colonists preferred an honest means of living. An honest form of currency that was circulated based on real, tangible value. That value is now created out of thin air by the banks that truly run the show. They rig tables, rob people and get away with it left and right. 2008 was the finest example of this. The Federal Reserve plays a major hand in all of that. They always have. It's a big club. And we ain't in it.

Taxation to a degree is theft. Sure, some of those taxes will go to certain aspects of society. School, laws, community events, public needs, etc. But there's a lot of it also being funneled out of here by ticks and leeches and there's very little being done about that. They get off easy all the time. And then we allow these politicians to turn right back around and give them control again.

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