(07-16-2019, 04:43 PM)Kane Wrote: [quote pid='1220763' dateline='1563236605']
Bullseye
There were laws in this country governing things as mundane as:

• Where people of color could live
  
• whom people of color could marry
  
• into what entrances people of color could enter
  
• from what water fountains people of color could drink
  
• Where people of color could be after sundown
  
• what hospitals could treat people of color
  
• what schools/colleges/universities people of color could attend
  
• where people of color could sit in theaters, diners and other establishments-if allowed in
  
• under what circumstances people of color could serve on juries
  and countless other areas.  This doesn't even get into laws that are facially race neutral but with discriminatory effect, nor does this get into the private practices and societal norms otherwise not codified in the law.  So committed was the South to those repugnant principles and practices, they were willing to secede from this country.
  

These laws persisted throughout this country's history until the 1960s and 70s.  These laws could not persist without the assent of the majority-actual or tacit.  When these laws were changed, the people who supported those unjust laws and practices didn't just disappear.  Many passed their bigotry down to their kids, and worked to weaken the new laws designed to promote equality.  If laws against speeding-which have well known and tangible penalties for violating them-are routinely ignored by those not inclined to obey them, what of those laws that endeavor to enforce equality?  

If you are tired of hearing about racism, trust me when I tell you people of color are tired of experiencing it.  If you personally do not support the tenets of bigotry, then speak out against those who perpetuate it.  If,as I suspect you do, then prepare for the fallout of your hatred, which includes substantial rejection in the marketplace of ideas.

1.  I'm tired of crybabies calling racism every time a white person says something they don't like to a "person of color"
So long as people keep identifying themselves by their skin color, there will always be race issues.

2.  All of the stuff you talk about that used to be laws, aren't anymore.... It is certainly time to move on from things that happened 50 plus years ago.
Not to mention moving on from the bad things generations hundreds of years ago did.

3.  Should Trump say these things? Probably not. But let's stop pretending these terrible women are victims of anything.
Let's stop pretending that people born non white are automatically maligned and segregated and mistreated.
You can only be a victim of your circumstance for so long.

4.  I don't condone racism, bigotry, or the general non acceptance of people who live different lifestyles and have different beliefs (gays, amish, muslims, whatever)
But I also don't really care what anyone says. And to think that hatred is worse for some than it is for others is laughable. To think "people of color" aren't racists to white people on the daily is naive at best and stupid at the more realistic.

But whatever, you guys can all keep squirming, whining and complaining over every little tweet and NBC news story for the next 5 years or so.
These 4 "champions" that decided to hold a press conference to drive home their BS racism claims are just as guilty as anyone for being divisive.

5.  Identify politics ladies and gents. It'll make losers of us all.

6.  What Trump said was inaccurate (going back to where they came from) and maybe even mildly ignorant (who exactly is surprised by anything he says anymore?!)
But my point is... that today Muslims, Blacks, women, etc are all treated better than ever before in history. And there are still some strides to be made but that is hindered every time they use their race,  sex, or orientation or religion to further drive a wedge between people.

And it is tenfold on a message board where the only purpose is for people to argue, complain, point fingers, and call names (and scream RACIST!)
So please, carry on, all of you that think you're better than someone else because it hurts your feelings when people say mean things.

I know what I am, and what I'm not. Despite the many cries of mikesez, Adam2012, and the rest of the bib brigade.
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So much to unpack here.  I initially wanted to address only a couple of your points, but such restrictions are not possible for me in light of these arguments presented.

1.  What did Tamir Rice do to identify as black to cause his shooting and exacerbate racial tensions?  To refresh the collective memory, Tamir Rice was a 12 year old boy in Cleveland, OH playing with a BB gun in a park.  Somebody called the police, and literally within 2 seconds of the police officer arriving on the scene, the responding officer shot and killed Rice.  Here is the video of the shooting  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSCftESyKyU  The video includes audio of the 911 call which began this encounter.  Keep in mind Cleveland is in an Open Carry state.  Furthermore, the 911 caller stated she believed him to be a juvenile and that the gun was probably fake, and did not indicate anyone had been shot.  Literally within two seconds of the officer arriving on the scene, the officer shot and killed Rice.  As predictable as the sun rise, whenever there is a police involved shooting of a black male, conservatives (who conveniently NEVER, EVER play identity politics-yeah right) assert the black would be alive had they complied with officer commands.  What command could the officer have given in the two seconds it took for him to arrive on the scene and shoot Rice?  How could Rice have processed the command, much less offered compliance, within that time?  Notice that the officer overestimates Rice's age by EIGHT (8) years.

Perhaps holding a BB gun in an open carry state is has too many safety concerns to make this a clear cut case.

What then about this shooting of a mental health worker in Miami?  Here is the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEJpRGIDbhY

The man, who was trying to calm his mentally disabled client,  was unarmed and complying with every officer command.  His hands were up.  What did he do to identify as black-other than just exist-to exacerbate racial tensions by being shot for no reason?

2.  Apparently you missed the whole point about racism persisting to this date despite the promulgation of the various civil rights legislation passed in the 60s and 70s.  Obviously the analogy to speeding was lost on you.  Mea culpa for not making the point clearer.  But I must say the urging us to move on from the bad things that happened 50+ years ago is interesting.  As I recall from history, The Civil War ended in 1865, yet conservatives insist upon the preservation of confederate monuments.  The Tennessee governor just honored Confederate general and KKK founder Nathan B. Forrest.  Entire industries are dedicated to selling confederate paraphernalia.  Yet obsessing over the events and people from 150+ years ago the way conservatives do does not elicit from you the same admonitions to "move on" the way African Americans are to summarily forget the past.  Why is that?  Why is it bad for me to express revulsion at the motivations for secession, but it's desirable to honor those who had those motivations and betrayed the country to realize them?  There's more I can say to this dynamic, but I will stop for now.

3.  So tell me, if skin color does not trigger discrimination, what does?  Does discrimination come with the onset of puberty?  Is there a height requirement like at amusement parks?  Is there a pledge process where you are given a secret handshake?

4 & 5  If oppression is equally distributed among races with equal negative impact, what is the white equivalent of the African slave trade?  What is the white equivalent of the Tuskeegee experiment or the trail of tears?  What is the white equivalent of what is happening on the border now?  I do not go as far as some to suggest minorities can not be racist.  A minority is quite adept at hurling a racial slur or physically attacking someone for being white.  There are differences in the dynamic, however.  Considering disparate population sizes, considering whites dominate the political and economic power structure, African Americans can not implement comprehensive measures to suppress whites.  Whites in this country have never been denied the right to vote for the reason of their race.  Whites in this country have never been prohibited from serving on juries by virtue of their race.  Whites in this country earn considerably more than their non white counterparts even for doing the same jobs.  It goes on and on.  Taken in sum, Identity politics in this country only makes losers of minorities by most objective measures.

6.  It's awfully benevolent of you to tolerate us being treated better than an any time in history.  I know that's a most unpleasant and inconvenient imposition on many of you.  But what is the significance of your statement there is still work to be done?  If there is still work to be done in those areas, doesn't that mean inequalities still exist?  If you can observe those inequalities, why can't minorities, without the charge of playing identity politics?

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