(07-18-2019, 03:11 PM)Bullseye Wrote:

(07-18-2019, 02:39 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: Except the President didn't say that.  He never said "send them back" he suggested that they "go back" to their country of origin (or heritage), fix the problems there then come back and tell us how to do it.  He didn't say it because of their ethnicity, rather he said it because of what they stand for and believe.  In a nutshell they don't seem to like our country.

So if I understand you, Trump and the other conservatives jumping on proverbial grenades to defend Trump here, espousing favor towards identifying or sympathizing with individuals or entities that show hostility to this country and its values justifiably earns you an invite to leave the country, wholly independent of color, race, citizenship or national origin?

Where, then, are the urgings for those who fly the confederate flag, who support the preservation of confederate monuments, who wear or peddle Confederate insignias to leave the country?

The Confederacy were American citizens who renounced their American citizenship to form an entity their leaders openly admitted were founded upon principles antithetical to the U.S. Constitution, and took up arms against American troops.  If successful, their actions would have led minimally to ELEVEN (11) fewer stars on the flag and a country substantially smaller and size and stature than the one we have now.  As it stands, Confederate actions cost over 600,000 Americans their lives and divides this country to this day.  In the decades al Qaeda has been in existence, they haven't come close to achieving those results against this country.

Yet Trump does not tell them to leave the country (not secede...just leave).  Instead, he welcomes them eagerly among his base, and many of you clamoring for the squad to depart based on anti American sentiment fly the flags and revere the people of the Confederacy.

Why?

1.  Yes and no.  His tweet had nothing to do with their ethnicity other than the fact that they "came from" a different country either directly or as a child of immigrants.  He simply was saying that they complain about how our country is and pretty much told them "if you don't like it leave" which we are all free to do.  This isn't North Korea or another of the many Socialist countries that actually build barriers to keep people in.  He also invited them back to show us all how they fixed the problems of the country of their heritage.  That's not "racist".  He never said "send them back".

2.  Because those that fly the confederate flag and support the preservation of confederate monuments are citizens of this country.  Like it or not the confederate war is a part of our country's history.  Like it or not some of the monuments are there because there were great people on both sides of that war that define who we are as a country.  General Lee was one of the greatest warriors ever in that era as was Andrew Jackson who this very city happens to be named after.  History should not be erased of forgotten rather it should be taught and embraced.  Those were certainly different times.

You really can't compare the confederacy to modern times.  While I understand that the Confederate Flag or certain monuments might be "offensive" to some people, in my personal opinion I look upon those things as part of our history.

Now I'm not going to sit here and claim that those symbols are not used by racist people.  Yes they sometimes are.  However, it's a small minority of people that are fading away.  I personally don't have "a dog in this fight" regarding slavery since my heritage neither owned slaves or were slaves during that time.

I don't want to go too off topic here but the bottom line is that the President's tweets were in no way "racist".

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