(07-18-2019, 05:34 PM)Bullseye Wrote:

(07-18-2019, 05:23 PM)Jags Wrote: 1.  Keeping it super simple here.  The Brit had only been in the US for a year.  She came by choice.   And to be fair, the confederates(born here in your words) did want to leave.  They just wanted the land too.  
2.  Not to mention things were a tad bit different 160 years ago.  They tried to secede only 84 years after the country was formed.  It was the “thing to do”.  

3.  And you’re all over the place with this confederate thing.  First you’re talking about the “racist flag” then not talking about it.  I’m assuming you live in Hilliard, Fl or something.  I don’t see all these confederate flags you’re seeing.  Don’t let a few nuts ruin things for you.   It comes to a point where you’re the one that actually comes off as the racist, to be honest.

1.  So couldn't it be argued they were more wrong having lived in the country and reaped its benefits for years, only to betray it later?

2.  Are you suggesting that somehow this country wasn't as great then as it is now, which justified Southern secession?

3.  Do you somehow suggest Secession carried with it only one implication-that of race?  Do you suggest that it has NO BEARING whatsoever to loyalty to country?!?  An interesting take.  I shifted focus away from the racist nature of the flag to expose as pretext the argument Trump's telling them to leave had nothing to do with race by taking the stated reason for the chants (disloyalty to this country) and comparing that to a far more damaging manifestation of disloyalty to country, and noting the disparate results.  Not a difficult concept to grasp.

As for me being perceived as racist, so be it.  These days, the Bizarro world created by Fox news invariably results in the person complaining about racism being labeled as racist.

1. Sure.  There’s an argument that can be made. But an argument can be made by any opposing view. 

2.  No.

3. We all know the factors involved in the secession.  It wasn’t just because of slavery (or race, I’m confused since there were white slaves) What I meant was the fact that the country was founded upon Americans having enough of England only 2 generations prior is much different than people coming over here 6+ generations afterwards [BLEEP] about it.  Back then they literally fought the [BLEEP] out.  Some of those soldiers fathers or grandfathers fought to break free from England.  In the 1800’s they still settled things with duels occasionally.  Times have changed.  For the better.  Let’s move on and keep making it better.  But it takes two!  Don’t [BLEEP] about the problem, show us the solution.  

4.  Yeah, that was thrown in not just because I believe it but to let you realize how others feels when incorrectly labeled as such.

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