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Trump Says Ilhan Omar Should Go Back to Africa

(This post was last modified: 07-19-2019, 05:06 PM by Caldrac.)

(07-19-2019, 04:52 PM)Bullseye Wrote:
(07-19-2019, 04:01 PM)Caldrac Wrote: 1.  You're taking this entirely too personal. And that above line is pretty low. If we dug through all of our families history we would all more than likely find things that would make us feel ashamed or disappointed. Pretty [BLEEP] thing to say man....

2.  We all know that slavery is wrong, it's horrible. It leaves everlasting scars physically and mentally. Most of humanity's history is brutal, cold and hard. It's still that same way in parts of the world today. Doesn't matter if it's in Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Europe, North America, Australia and South America. Wrong is wrong. Right is right. But that only applies to that person or persons individual beliefs. 

3.  If in every War both sides think they are right then are any of us right? How does this number below make you feel? It still continues today. Nothing has changed there for the better. You think an eye for an eye is correct? Or holding old sins over descendants of darker times is the right way to go? I see a lot of weakness in your lines of thinking. 

Ultimately, our Country changed for the better. While it still continues in other parts of the World. And many people, including you, myself and everyone on this thread should really see that as an accomplishment. But you keep on throwing stones at an old headstone. 


4.  Prevalence within Africa:

On any given day in 2016, an estimated 9.2 million men, women, and children were living in modern slavery in Africa. The region has the highest rate of prevalence, with 7.6 people living in modern slavery for every 1,000 people in the region.

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1.  So how would  you feel if someone worked to oppress you or your ancestors?  By your own words in this very post "We all know that slavery is wrong, it's horrible. It leaves everlasting scars physically and mentally."  How personally SHOULD I take such efforts to inflict such suffering based upon my race?  Those on the right have asserted the four congresswomen were to leave the country because they expressed anti American sentiment.  Why should those who take up arms against this country be treated any differently?  Just because they are HIS ancestors?!?  What merits their exemption from contempt when they betray fundamental and traditional notions of patriotism and common human decency? 

He introduced his family into the discussion.  He asked the question.  I answered.  What is the problem?

If they somehow had no choice in fighting for the confederacy, perhaps they get a pass.  If they somehow worked to undo the damage they did to blacks and this country after the fact, perhaps they deserve the benefit of the doubt.  Otherwise, either they chose to fight for the confederacy knowing the repugnant ideals upon which it was founded, or they fought for the confederacy completely oblivious to those principles, which means they betrayed the country and common human decency out of ignorance.  Either way, I am not obliged to honor them because he does, especially when they work to weaken this country and oppress people on the basis of race.

2.   Taking this at face value, how did I apply my answer to anyone other than his ancestors who fought for the Confederacy?  I didn't say Trivial Pursuit should rot in hell.  I didn't say ALL of Trivial Pursuit's ancestors should rot in hell.  Just the ones who fought for the confederacy HE introduced to the conversation.  I don't get the point you are making.

3 & 4.  Yes...there is clear right and wrong to be found in many wars.  When the nazis engaged in the ethnic cleansing of Jews, they were spectacularly wrong, no matter how man of their soldiers believed they were right, no matter how many were just following orders.

As to Africa's role in the slave trade, those responsible are equally culpable in my mind.  Much like what happened in World War II when prisoners of war were taken, African lands that traded in slaves during them traded away people who amounted to prisoners of war in many instances.  To the extent they participated or currently participate in such a repugnant enterprise, they are contemptible.  Their actions led to the suffering of millions.  Their status as blacks or non whites does not exempt them from blame.  Similarly, people's status as white does not make them evil.  There were plenty of whites who did not actively work to oppress blacks here, and plenty who died fighting for the rights of people like me, from John Brown, to the Freedom Riders during the Civil Rights movement, to Heather Heyer who was murdered in Charlottesville.  There are those on this very board in this very thread who have spoken out against racism.  Even Flsportsgod, who is on the opposite end of the political spectrum from me expressed good will between the races.  When I said I appreciated the sentiment, I meant that.

But irrespective of anyone's ancestry, I, in no way fell compelled to exempt their actions in serving the confederacy just because of their status as someone's ancestor.

Does that answer your questions?

(07-19-2019, 04:08 PM)mikesez Wrote: We are not our ancestors.  Bullseye was not insulting TrivialPursuit. 
TrivialPursuit's ancestors are gone from this world and facing whatever there is for them in the next. None of that indicates anything about TrivialPursuit's own worth.

Thank you.

I expect better out of you. Didn't realize you would hold grudges. I am not going to sit here and waste anymore [BLEEP] time in this thread. It's ugly. I have my opinions and you have yours, and you don't have to like mine because I don't like yours. 

All's fair. Have fun throwing stones at old headstones that have no bearing on you at all now. Nothing is holding you back. Only yourself. It's 2019. Not 1779, not 1879, not 1979.

By the way, had you read through this post. You would have known some of my ancestors were actually here in St. Augustine and were in fact, oppressed to cultivate the land. When they ran they were shackled to balls and chains. In fact, some of them were even forced into incest. 

No skin off my teeth. Because it didn't happen to me. My ancestors had to carry that burden and pay the price for that. I am glad they did. Otherwise I wouldn't be here typing this out to you right now. I have learned to let things go. Even when I got jumped by a group of black kids when I was 14 minding my own [BLEEP] business. Even when I got called racial slurs by white kids. 

Man the [BLEEP] up! Let it go. You're better than this. And you know it.
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RE: Trump Says Ilhan Omar Should Go Back to Africa - by Caldrac - 07-19-2019, 05:02 PM



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