Quote:Think it through. The only reason his guy wouldn't be there at # 3 is because one of his "chums" had already taken him at 1 or 2. Yet he believes he can simply trade up without giving away the farm? Trust me; dinner isn't going to change the price. Don't lose sight of the fact that these other GM's are his competitors!
PS Since you asked, No, that's not the definition of "chummy" and it's not uninformed, it's just naive.
I appreciate your stance. I just see it a little more simply than you do. Call it naive if you like. I've been called much worse. Perhaps I am to a degree. I've never asked an NFL GM how many times he's been deceived by a colleague. So I don't know how common or uncommon it is. I'm just giving my gut opinion on this particular set of comments from DC.
I just think he's confident picking at 3 and confident he can maneuver if he needs to. That's all he's really saying, IMO. The fact that he's had dinner with Snead and then makes those statements days later most likely means they feel they aren't eyeing the same prospect. Even if they didn't come right out and say it to one another. I don't see that as some unfathomable sharing of information between two guys that communicate well.
It wouldn't
shock me if the Rams trade their pick for better value to another team that swoops in and takes Caldwell's favorite guy. Of course that could happen. I'm not
that naive. (Which - by the way - is why I don't need to "think it through" - I've already thought a step further in that scenario you suggested I think on) But - I think it's possible that Snead and Caldwell have a mutual understanding of what each of them
likely want to happen at #2 and #3. Could Snead be telling Caldwell what he wants to hear to deceive him? Again - possible. I just don't think that stuff happens as
often as people think.
It's also still really early - and a few guys that we think are top 5 picks right now may be shuffled down as other players supplant them after the combine.
It seems to me that every year there is an incredible amount of talk of smokescreens and the like - and the vast majority of it turns out to be only talk.
Not meant to be argumentative or antagonistic, BTW. Just trying to be clear on my view. You could certainly be right as I am not thoroughly versed in the complete history of NFL draft deceptions - leaving the door open for some naivety.
Quote:NYC had a mistype as Caldwell had dinner with Snead and Dimitroff. That's the Rams and Falcons GM. Caldwell said the #1 pick is probably off the table, which is common sense anyways. Caldwell said the price to move up from #3 to #2 would probably be a 3rd or 4th round pick, "depending on demand". Which he is speaking the absolute truth in my opinion. It cost us a 4th to move up and grab Blackmon? If there isn't another team or two who really wants to move up above us (that is if we even want to trade up 1 spot), there's no reason why a 3rd or 4th round pick wouldn't swap ours and the Rams pick.
Thanks for clearing that up. I definitely bungled a few details there on the dinner thing. :thumbsup:
