(10-05-2019, 07:51 AM)hb1148 Wrote: (10-04-2019, 09:29 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Fournette is as hot and cold as players can get. Still needs to prove a LOT to be remotely worthy of a #4 pick.
Taylor was just as much a "no brainer" as the others you don't want to credit Caldwell for since he fell so far. Richardson is a work in progress.
I find it very odd that so many folks feel so convicted in their assumptions and speculations about what exactly Caldwell and/or Coughlin are responsible for. You guys are just guessing. You have absolutely no idea which picks (if any) Coughlin altered from Dave's big board.
Let's not forget that they are BOTH responsible for the Bortles extension as well.
I can appreciate a hypothesis that TC has positively influenced a few good personnel moves since he arrived, but there's no way to know what he's actually done in that regard. The official story is that there's always a consensus. We're not privy to the process beyond that.
(10-05-2019, 02:57 AM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: You're putting Leonard Fournette, Will Richardson, Jawaan Taylor, and Minshew in the Coughlin column
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Ramsey, Jack, Ngakoue, Linder, Lee, Joeckel, and Telvin Smith in the Caldwell column and declaring decisive victory for Coughlin? 
Anyway, I'm with NYC. Impossible to know what lies where between the two and frankly I see very little difference in the overall quality of the drafts. The biggest sin in my eyes was trying to salvage Bortles by masking him with Fournette and there's no way any of us can know how that decision was ultimately made.
Of course we don't know beyond a shadow of a doubt how the interplay between Caldwell and Coughlin works but do you really think Coughlin just sits in his office and eats sandwich's all day? A guy with his personality? That puts Coughlin in the role of a figure head which is absurd. What proof is there that TC would have agreed to that?
"Is that going to be the focus? What else is there? What the hell would we be doing this for if not to win? We’re trying to win today. Who's going to get the better lunch? Let’s not have any misunderstanding about why we're here." - Tom Coughlin
I don't think Caldwell is completely out of the picture. I'd bet he still does a majority of the player evaluations and probably presents his case to Coughlin who has his own ideas and then they come to an agreement. If they can't come to an agreement TC most likely has the final say. The differences in the higher picks that where made before and after TC came on board are subtle to be sure. Coughlin's fingerprints become more evident in rounds 3 and below.
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In the pressers around the first draft after Coughlin's arrival Caldwell was asked what his process was with Coughlin on board.
He said he does exactly what he did prior to TC's arrival. He also said all final decisions were a consensus between himself, TC, sometimes ownership, and they often seek Marrone's opinion as well.
Regardless, I'm sure we can all agree that it's good to see productivity from these rookies right now however they were agreed upon. We'll need them to step up if we're to compete minus a few anticipated starters.
