(10-02-2019, 07:29 PM)hb1148 Wrote: (10-02-2019, 07:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: So, pure speculation.
Maybe a little bit of speculation, but mostly extrapolation and some hard metrics based on where players were drafted and were they are now. Unless you subscribe to the thought that Caldwell suddenly got smart when TC came along. Possible I guess but that would be speculation.
Interesting.
Caldwell drafted Allen Robinson at the bottom of the 2nd round (61st overall) and he became a productive WR.
Somebody drafted D.J. Chark at the bottom of the 2nd round (61st overall) and is on his way to being a productive WR.
Caldwell drafted Yannick Ngakoue in the 3rd round (69th overall) and has been a productive DE.
Somebody drafted Dawuane Smoot in the 3rd round (68th overall) and has not been a productive DE (though has played better this year).
Now perhaps some of this is a function of the strengths of the teams at the time they were drafted, the comparative draft positions, and the relevant draft classes but I look at Caldwell's mid round picks, but I see guys like Linder, Telvin Smith and Ngakoue. I look at TC's picks in the 3rd round and below over the years and I don't see the same degree of success.
1995
Round: 3
Pick in the round: 7
Overall pick: 71
Chris Hudson
DB
Colorado
Round: 4
Pick in the round: 1
Overall pick: 99
Rob Johnson
QB
USC
Round: 4
Pick in round: 25
Overall pick: 123
Mike Thompson
DT
Wisconsin
5
35
169
Ryan Christopherson
RB
Wyoming
6
1
172
Marcus Price
T
Louisiana State
6
37
208
Fred McCrary
RB
Mississippi State
7
11
219
Curtis Marsh
1996
3
2
63
Aaron Beasley
DB
West Virginia
4
15
110
Reggie Barlow
WR
Alabama State
5
14
146
Jimmy Herndon
G
Houston
6
3
170
John Fisher
DB
Missouri Western
7
6
18
185
Chris Doering
WR
Florida
7
18
227
Clarence Jones
WR
Tennessee State
7
19
228
Gregory Spann
WR
Jackson State
1997
3
19
79
James Hamilton
LB
North Carolina
4
18
114
Seth Payne
DT
Cornell
5
17
147
Damon Jones
TE
Southern Illinois
6
21
184
Daimon Shelton
RB
Sacramento State
7
20
221
Jon Hesse
LB
Nebraska
1998
3
25
86
Jonathan Quinn
QB
Middle Tennessee State
4
9
101
Tavian Banks
RB
Iowa
4
26
118
Harry Deligianis
DE
Youngstown State
5
25
148
John Wade
C
Marshall
6
26
179
Lamanzer Williams
DE
Minnesota
6
29
182
Kevin McLeod
RB
Auburn
7
3
192
Alvis Whitted
WR
North Carolina State
7
25
214
Brandon Tolbert
LB
Georgia
1999
3
27
88
Anthony Cesario
G
Colorado State
4
26
121
Kevin Landolt
DE
West Virginia
5
27
160
Jason Craft
DB
Colorado State
6
13
182
Emarlos Leroy
DT
Georgia
7
36
242
Dee Moronkola
DB
Washington State
7
40
246
Chris White
DT
Southern
2000
3
30
92
T.J. Slaughter
LB
Southern Mississippi
4
29
123
Joey Chustz
T
Louisiana Tech
5
30
159
Kiwaukee Thomas
DB
Georgia Southern
6
30
196
Emanuel Smith
WR
Arkansas
7
30
236
Erik Olson
DB
Colorado State
7
35
241
Rob Meier
DT
Washington State
7
37
243
Shyrone Stith
RB
Virginia Tech
7
39
245
Danny Clark
LB
Illinois
7
41
247
Mark Baniewicz
T
Syracuse
2001
3
11
73
Eric Westmoreland
LB
Tennessee
3
32
94
James Boyd
DB
Penn State
5
11
142
David Leaverton
P
Tennessee
6
7
170
Chad Ward
G
Washington
7
13
213
Anthony Denman
LB
Notre Dame
7
33
233
Marlon McCree
DB
Kentucky
7
35
235
Richmond Flowers
WR
Chattanooga
7
41
241
Randy Chevier
DT
McGill
2002
3
24
89
Akin Ayodele
LB
Purdue
4
10
108
David Garrard
QB
East Carolina
4
20
118
Chris Luzar
TE
Virginia
6
8
180
Clenton Ballard
DT
Southwest Texas State
7
11
222
Kendall Newson
WR
Middle Tennessee State
7
36
247
Steve Smith
DB
Oregon
7
37
248
Hayden Epstein
K
Michigan
drafthistory.com
I placed emphasis on the best players in those particular draft classes.
While most of those guys were decent to good role players, none of those guys were as good as the three I have identified from Caldwell's draft classes.
Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
