(10-05-2019, 09:32 AM)he Real Marty Wrote:

(10-05-2019, 09:21 AM)Bullseye Wrote: The reason I would list him as a Coughlin pick is because:

1.  Fournette fits the historical paradigm of a TC running back.  He's always favored the bigger RB, whether James Stewart, Natrone Means, Curtis Enis (Yes...in 1998, he wasnted to trade up for Curtis Enis, but wasn't able to pull off the trade, so he stayed at 9 and took FT instead), FT, Stacey Mack, and Brandon Jacobs.

2.  It was his first year there and he likely wanted to put his stamp on the team.

What exactly do you mean by "Coughlin pick?"  Do you think these guys say, "I'm taking this one, I'll give you the next one?"  

I am pretty sure what happens is, they have long meetings about the direction of the team and how to fill spots with free agents and draft picks.  They decide on an overall strategy for team building.  They look at available free agents and draft picks.  And they fit their free agents and draft picks into this overall strategy.  They discuss the possible draft picks endlessly and they probably almost always come to an agreement about what course to take.  

There's no way for us to tell whose choice was whose.  Because it doesn't work like that. 

There's a lot of undeserved negativity floating around on this message board, with people trying to make a case that this guy or that guy should be fired.  So they try to figure out a way to blame the "bad picks" on one guy or the other.  

It's a universal characteristic that people, especially people posting on football message boards, are guilty of simplistic thinking.  They're always  trying to boil everything down to some sort of "solution."  It's not that simple.  And in this case, it's not so simple that you can say one guy was a "Coughlin pick" and another guy was a "Caldwell pick."  It just doesn't work that way.

A fair point.

I believe a "Coughlin pick" is one that is Coughlin influenced, or a player that TC favors over DC's recommendation.  While I don't pretend to know exactly what TC is thinking on a given pick, nor do I have any first hand knowledge of the inner workings of the FO, I think I have a decent (not absolute...not perfect) feel for how he thinks on some personnel matters for a mere message board poster.  I identified his preference for larger backs soon after he was hired and months before the draft.   They drafted Fournette.  https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...#pid940894  I pointed out TC generally does not draft TE in the first round.  Even though TE was a popular choice among Jaguars fans in first round of the past two drafts, I maintained based on TCs history, he would not take a TE in the first round.  The team was in position to take a TE in the first round the last two years and didn't do it.  I don't believe I have really advocated either TC or DC be fired unless some very narrow conditions are met, and that point was limited to one thread.  Usually, when people are clamoring for a particular individual to be fired, I am among those urging restraint.


I believe they aim for a consensus at a given pick.  If they disagree on a pick, I think it defaults to TC.  Both have had good and bad picks.  Both have strengths and weaknesses.

It is my belief that DC is a better drafterm especially in the mid to late rounds.  I think TC is better at identifying free agents.

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