(10-18-2019, 07:11 AM)Bullseye Wrote:

(10-18-2019, 06:30 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: I don't understand what point you are making.  

Are you saying Yannick should have an extension by now?   As you and everyone else have stated many times, we don't what was offered or what Yannick was asking for.  There was some negotiation, but the two sides could not agree.  This is quite common.  

So why the question?

One poster (Perkolater, IIRC) made the assertion that Ramsey would have had the deal he wanted if he acted professionally.

I pose the question, in part, to show it's not necessarily true that Ramsey would have gotten a deal even if he was a complete boy scout.

Ngakoue has been as close to a boy scout as you'd want and he doesn't have a deal.  Then people started offering any number of excuses as to why Ngakoue didn't get the new deal.

The point is the re-signings seem to have NOTHING to do with talent, production, merit or professionalism.

Lest I am being too obscure, or lest simply meeting the cap minimum (I am offering that possibility) in part drove the Linder re-signing, let's limit this inquiry to the draft class of 2016.  Draft position aside and the ramifications that come from those differences (salary of the players, # of years under the original rookie deal), the surrounding salary cap and team impacted the top of the 2016 draft class the same way at the same time.  By the time these guys contracts started becoming an issue, all of the surrounding circumstances were the same.  By then, the Jaguars added Calais Camobell, Malik Jackson, Dareus, Church, Gipson, and Bouye.  Then they added Norwell last year.

Of the three guys at the top of the 2016 draft, how would you list their importance to the team's playoff run?  Forget the anger you may feel at Ramsey for the moment and just look at their contributions as players since 2016 and to that playoff run.  If you had to list them 1-3 in order of importance, production, accolades for production, etc, how would you rank them?  If you had to rank them in terms of who could command the most in trade, how would you rank them?  We now know how much Ramsey commanded in trade.  If you had to guess, would either Ngakoue or Jack command more in trade than what Ramsey got back for us?  If not, who would get more in trade between Ngakoue and Jack?  Who started more games between 2016 and now?  Who got more league recognized accolades?

Yet of the three, who was the first and only one to get a new deal from the team?

Why?

When does productivity factor in favorably for Jaguars players when it comes to re-signing with the team?

I can see where being the most productive of the Gene Smith draft picks wouldn't be enough to get an extension from the team, although a do nothing like Tyson Alualu managed to get an extension from the team.

But if you listed the players in terms of productivity, the most productive guys didn't get their efforts rewarded with new deals, while those closer to the mediocre end of the spectrum did get the new deals.

If the team's main priority is winning, how can that possibly happen?  How could the priority possibly be anything other than keeping the best players here, the ones who did the most to contrubute to the team's winning?

How can that possibly happen?  C'mon Bullseye.  You know the answer to that.  They were unable to agree on a contract.  It's that simple.  

You're overcomplicating and overthinking this.  They were simply unable to agree on a contract.  It happens all the time in the NFL.  

The only facts we know are that the two sides tried, and they failed, because they could not agree.  There's nothing else to it.  Any other conclusions you want to draw are based on sand, because we have no facts on which to base those conclusions.  

"The point is the re-signings seem to have NOTHING to do with talent, production, merit or professionalism."  You left out the one key ingredient: the ability of the two sides to reach an agreement.  Sure, Ngakoue is a great guy, a true professional, and all that.  But still, the fact is, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS ASKING FOR.  So we cannot draw any conclusions from the failure to reach a deal.

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