(12-26-2019, 06:42 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote:

(12-25-2019, 06:21 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: 3) Fowler 

4) Ramsey

5) Joeckel

6) Robinson

We either missed on picks, or we wound up trading them.  It's not just missing on QBs.  We haven't managed our high draft picks well, either in the choice, or the retention of them.

Think of the year we drafted Luke Joeckel.  He came out the same year as Eric Fisher.  Those two were neck and neck in the draft.  So the Chiefs pick Fisher #1, and the Jags draft Joeckel #2.  Both players were disappointing at first, but the Chiefs worked with Fisher and developed him, and now he's their starting LT.  We failed to develop Joeckel.  Some teams are just better at developing their young players and then retaining them.  

It's drafting, developing, retaining.  We've failed on all three phases.  Selecting a roster, coaching a roster, managing a roster.

The bottom line is, NFL football is a competition between owners.  Shad Khan is a great guy, we all admire his success in life, the American dream, etc etc, but he needs to be a lot more competitive.  It seems like he's tolerating losing a lot more than he should.

Missing on QBs isn't the only thing wrong. But far and away it is the biggest reason the team can't consistently win. 

You could develope a list similar to yours for a lot of NFL teams but if they have a great QB, they overcome it. 

Take a look at the Ravens from the Joeckel draft forward:

2013: Matt Elam - out of NFL
2013: Arthur Brown - out of NFL
2013: Brandon Williams - Good Starter

2014: CJ Mosley - other team starter
2014: Timmy Jernigan - other team backup
2014: Terrence Brooks - other team backup

2015: Breshard Perriman - other team backup
2015: Maxx Williams - other team backup
2015: Carl Davis - on Jaguars 

2016: Ronnie Stanley - Great player
2016: Kamalei Correa - other team backup
2016: Bronson Kafusi - other team backup

2017: Marlon Humphrey - starter
2017: Tyus Bowser - backup
2017: Chris Wormley - backup

2018: Hayden Hurst - backup
2018: Lamar Jackson - probable MVP
2018: Orlando Brown - starter


There's nothing appreciably special about their draft or development other than one single pick.

2013: 
Brandon Williams = good starter 
John Simon = depth
Kyle Juszczyk = only fullback who matters, 4 pro bowls
Ricky Wagner = starting tackle for Lions, multiple above average seasons for ravens
Ryan Jensen = 56 starts at center, currently above average C for the Bucs

Great draft, especially in a weak class where most flamed out (like Caldwell) 

2014:
Mosley: quality starter for the Ravens, not worth his contact for jets but was a good pick 
Jernigan: good rotational DT

udfa: Zach Orr, all pro Lb forced to retire due to injury

2015: First 3 rounds bust. 
Zadarius Smith: good pass rusher, developed by Baltimore 
Darren Waller: not giving them credit for him now

2016: 
Ronnie Stanley: franchise LT
Matt Judon: #1 pass rusher on the team right now
Tavon Young: good starting nickel 

udfa: Michael Pierce top 5 NT and starter, 
        Matt Skura , starting center this year, 
        Patrick Onwuasor, startling Lb this year

2017: 
Marlon Humpherey: above average corner
Chuck Clark: backup safety, played v well this year with Tony J injury

udfa: Andrew Wylie, starting guard for the Chiefs

2018: 
Hayden Hurst: backup TE( awful pick) 
Lamar Jackson: MVP at 22
Orlando Brown: above average tackle
Mark Andrews : top 10 TE

udfa:
Gus Edwards: Very good backup RB, 1300 yards in 240 carries for the Ravens the past two years.

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