(12-27-2019, 10:03 AM)JackCity Wrote:

(12-26-2019, 06:42 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: Missing on QBs isn't the only thing wrong. But far and away it is the biggest reason the team can't consistently win. 

You could develope a list similar to yours for a lot of NFL teams but if they have a great QB, they overcome it. 

Take a look at the Ravens from the Joeckel draft forward:

2013: Matt Elam - out of NFL
2013: Arthur Brown - out of NFL
2013: Brandon Williams - Good Starter

2014: CJ Mosley - other team starter
2014: Timmy Jernigan - other team backup
2014: Terrence Brooks - other team backup

2015: Breshard Perriman - other team backup
2015: Maxx Williams - other team backup
2015: Carl Davis - on Jaguars 

2016: Ronnie Stanley - Great player
2016: Kamalei Correa - other team backup
2016: Bronson Kafusi - other team backup

2017: Marlon Humphrey - starter
2017: Tyus Bowser - backup
2017: Chris Wormley - backup

2018: Hayden Hurst - backup
2018: Lamar Jackson - probable MVP
2018: Orlando Brown - starter


There's nothing appreciably special about their draft or development other than one single pick.

2013: 
Brandon Williams = good starter 
John Simon = depth
Kyle Juszczyk = only fullback who matters, 4 pro bowls
Ricky Wagner = starting tackle for Lions, multiple above average seasons for ravens
Ryan Jensen = 56 starts at center, currently above average C for the Bucs

Great draft, especially in a weak class where most flamed out (like Caldwell) 

2014:
Mosley: quality starter for the Ravens, not worth his contact for jets but was a good pick 
Jernigan: good rotational DT

udfa: Zach Orr, all pro Lb forced to retire due to injury

2015: First 3 rounds bust. 
Zadarius Smith: good pass rusher, developed by Baltimore 
Darren Waller: not giving them credit for him now

2016: 
Ronnie Stanley: franchise LT
Matt Judon: #1 pass rusher on the team right now
Tavon Young: good starting nickel 

udfa: Michael Pierce top 5 NT and starter, 
        Matt Skura , starting center this year, 
        Patrick Onwuasor, startling Lb this year

2017: 
Marlon Humpherey: above average corner
Chuck Clark: backup safety, played v well this year with Tony J injury

udfa: Andrew Wylie, starting guard for the Chiefs

2018: 
Hayden Hurst: backup TE( awful pick) 
Lamar Jackson: MVP at 22
Orlando Brown: above average tackle
Mark Andrews : top 10 TE

udfa:
Gus Edwards: Very good backup RB, 1300 yards in 240 carries for the Ravens the past two years.

The post I responded to clearly outlined players not retained by the team as a negative. 

Regardless, if you'd like to go pick by pick, I'd agree they're better - they're one of the best run organizations in the league. My point being, even looking at one of the best teams in the league, the difference isn't some vast insurmountable canyon of talent other than having Mr. Jackson. 

They were a 4-5 team last year when they inserted him into the lineup. They're 19-3 since.

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