(01-28-2020, 09:59 PM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(01-28-2020, 09:41 PM)mikesez Wrote: Nah, they were both the worst candidates in a generation.
Each of them would have run us further and faster down the road from a  limited government with division of powers and checks and balances, and towards an unlimited government whose only check is the opposing party.  Senators should care more about the prerogatives of the Senate than they care about who wins the white house in the next election. But that's not where we live anymore. The Senate is no longer a check if they're the same party as the president. If they're a different party, they are a check, but really it's the other party who is a check.
Once the only check is the other party, the next step after that is one of the two parties holds power long enough to mess with elections, and keep the other party from ever winning one, and we become a single-party unlimited government like the Roman empire or 20th Century Mexico.
a good president would be trying to reverse this trend by being less personally divisive and working to reform election laws so that third parties can play a bigger role.
Hillary would have tried to not be divisive, but she's naturally a divisive person.  Trump is divisive on purpose.

Idiotic!

Trump has done nothing to move the country toward "unlimited government." He has cut thousands of regulations that were not passed by congress. He cut taxes, giving the money back to the people. He has started no new wars (unlike his thee predecessors) and is winding down the ones he inherited. He has created no new government programs (also unlike his predecessors), except spinning the Space Force off of the Air Force which is a net zero. He supports gun rights, free speech, and freedom of religion while his opponents are running rampant over the Bill of Rights.

I guess you will claim that because #orangemanbad people like you are more likely to vote for the blame America first crowd.

I like gun rights, freedom of speech and freedom of religion too. Really I prefer the Republicans for a lot of reasons.  I just think we all need to stop investing so much hope and agency into these once every four years elections.  Make the House great again.  Make State Legislatures great again.  Make the Senate great again.  Debate in the open.  Cut deals with each other.  Etc.

Removing Trump at this juncture for these reasons would certainly make the House and the Senate great again.  It would show that they are independent centers of power that care about more than just party labels, and that they really care about making elections fair.

Otherwise we're just greasing the tracks for the President to be a dictator.  Maybe not this President, but one coming soon, unless we reverse these trends.

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