(03-08-2020, 12:11 PM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(03-08-2020, 08:31 AM)mikesez Wrote: Of course I noted that phrase, but that's not what I was responding to. I had no problem with Marty's post. Handsome Rob change that phrase. And 42 minutes was also trying to push a similar thought. Blame it on only Democrats.  Blame it on only progressives. That's when I jumped in. In order to take the timeline of understanding back far enough to the founding of the Democratic Party, you have to realize that people weren't merely racist back then. They actually held slaves.

Marty's post blamed racism on the whites and the "conservatives" which he equates with Republicans. You had no problem with Marty blaming one side of the political spectrum but take offense at someone pointing out that the other side was the main source (originated Jim Crow and the KKK)?

And then you change the narrative to how we should ignore stuff about 60 years old. That was the "many years ago" that Marty was describing.

Liberals didn't really exist in the 1530s when the Spanish and portuguese were stocking the Americas with African slaves.  John Locke invented liberalism in 1689. Conservatives have always existed though.  Conservatives are the people who try to preserve the way of life and beliefs of their ancestors. Which is a good thing. Edmund Burke in the 1770s kind of invented a conservative view of how different governments and societies should respect each other's autonomy, so it's not that conservatives never have original thoughts, but conservatives have always been around

And again, it's not that we should ignore this stuff.  I wouldn't be discussing it if I thought we should ignore it.  It's that we shouldn't let such old stuff dictate how we vote today.

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