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More Context to the Ramsey trade

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(04-24-2020, 10:32 AM)Bullseye Wrote:
(04-24-2020, 09:56 AM)Jagwired Wrote: Were the Jags to continue paying that [BLEEP] while he faked injury?

I think the major part of the hostility to my point is the absolutely polarizing nature of Ramsey.  I get the hostility to the guy/

But to the very best of my knowledge, tKhalil Mack did not engage in any of the behavior exhibited by Ramsey, and got a similar return in trade.

I would be similarly critical of the Raiders for botching the picks. 

They got Abrams, the Miss. State S last year who played very little, and they got Damon Arnette this year.

So far, the ROI from those picks appears minimal.

Take the personality out of it.  View it from the lens of a pure talent exchange.

A difficult task, I get it.

So is your point theoretical? Because the Raiders screwed up (and I'm sure you can come up with other examples) that means trading an All Pro player is never justified?


Whether or not you like the Chaisson pick (and I didn't) he was the top rated player on a lot of boards. The Cowboys were planning on him before Lamb fell into their laps. Caldwell has show success in drafting edge rushers, and not so much with OTs. Both Prisco and Walter gave the pick A grades (admittedly there was grade inflation from both with a lot of A's), and from NFL.com who gave the Jags a grade-inflated A overall:


Quote:Chaisson at 20 is a steal. He has the elite bend, length, get-off and strength to be a sack-master for the Jags. Getting the draft's second-best edge rusher at No. 20 does not happen very often.


We also have the Rams 2021 1st round pick. Considering their cap losses that pick could be very high, maybe even #1. Would Trevor Lawrence be adequate compensation for Ramsey (or even for Ramsey plus or 2021 1st if we had to trade up)?

Since you are ignoring the 2021 1st I can just as logically claim that we got Chaisson and "Lawrence" for Ramsey.

Are you suggesting that the Jags should have refused to trade CB who was going to pretend to be injured for the next two seasons? I'm thinking Ramsey might not have been an All Pro in those seasons of sitting on the bench, and the Jags wouldn't have been improved with an additional bench-warmer. But maybe that's just me.

To reply to your other complaints:

Ngokoue is still a Jag at this point. If the most we can get is a 2nd then I'd personally rather pass on the trade in the hope that Ngokoue caves to the huge financial loss and re-joins the squad. If we trade him for a 1st I think it's the best choice. Even if Chaisson busts out, Allen fills his role.

Kinlaw and Aiyuk aren't better. Henderson and Kinlaw are both the 2nd best at their positions with a large drop off afterwards. Either one would have been a disappointment once the top 8 were picked, and there was a run on CBs after Henderson. Aiyuk is just one of many WRs of about equal value. We can probably get Shenault in round 2 if we don't find a better non-WR prospect. I personally hope the Jags take Hightower in round 4 and Dubois in round 7 (or as a priority free agent).



                                                                          

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Messages In This Thread
More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Bullseye - 04-23-2020, 10:54 PM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Caldrac - 04-23-2020, 11:05 PM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by rfc17 - 04-23-2020, 11:05 PM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Dimson - 04-23-2020, 11:05 PM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by nate - 04-24-2020, 01:09 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Kane - 04-24-2020, 10:05 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Jags239 - 04-24-2020, 12:00 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by enigma - 04-24-2020, 12:07 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Firesky - 04-24-2020, 12:49 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by MalabarJag - 04-24-2020, 11:29 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by enigma - 04-24-2020, 12:23 PM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by enigma - 04-24-2020, 12:34 PM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Kane - 04-24-2020, 10:02 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by enigma - 04-24-2020, 10:04 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Kane - 04-24-2020, 10:14 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by RicoTx - 04-24-2020, 11:01 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by RicoTx - 04-24-2020, 11:37 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Kane - 04-24-2020, 11:07 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by uthill - 04-24-2020, 10:10 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by jj82284 - 04-24-2020, 10:10 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by enigma - 04-24-2020, 11:27 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by nate - 04-24-2020, 11:35 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by B2hibry - 04-24-2020, 05:46 PM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Jags - 04-24-2020, 06:35 PM



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